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<p>Well the phrase "lenguaje de patrones" comes from computational science and we understand that in our discursive language in philosophy too. I remember an old debate about the way that Spaniards use the word "ordenadores" and the rest of Spanish language
(Castile´s language, actually) that use "computadora" . Other similar debate we have in Spanish is about "software and hardware" because if you try to translate it you change the meaning of that words.<br>
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<p>Then we will use "Lenguaje de Patrones" in our documents to preserve the intention of that two words. I attach an invitation to our Pedagogy Congress that use "Lenguaje de patrones" phrase and the methodology that Doug and other members of this list gracefully
sharing with us many years ago. In Spanish we understand PL as the way we identify regularities in phenomena and process and let us to think about this. Pautas sounds great, but I am not sure if computer scientists understand it.<br>
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<p>We are doing our best to collaborate with the Spanish version but all our interest is blocked for the amount of job in the last two semesters. Sorry for that Doug. We´l try to fulfill the expectations and honor our word.</p>
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<div class="">We are moving forward with translations which is very exciting. it looks like Arabic is next!</div>
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<div class="">The translation effort is very interesting because the LV patterns don't lend themselves to "literal" translations because they describe concepts.</div>
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It's an interesting question for linguistic inquiry. "Lenguaje" is certainly appropriate; as for patterns, "patrones" is indeed correct, but "pautas" could be an alternative that sounds to me more like patterns as guidelines. I think whichever word is familiar
to the most readers, and that might be patrones. Thanks for the link, I'll explore further. Several students took me up on reading a sample selection.<br class="">
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