From kevin at lumiere.net Sun Nov 9 17:57:47 1997 From: kevin at lumiere.net (Kevin Shrieve) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 17:57:47 -0800 Subject: San Francisco sustainability web site Message-ID: Greetings, Readers of this list might enjoy a web site I'm just bringing online called Reinhabiting Home (at http://www.lumiere.net/home). It surrounds the text of the San Francisco Sustainability Plan with some good tools for community discussion. Kevin Shrieve kevin at lumiere.net * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From mtsvme at scn.org Thu Nov 13 20:25:37 1997 From: mtsvme at scn.org (SCN User) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:25:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: new (test) main menu Message-ID: **great!** Much easier to navigate! Easier to find what I had looked for but didn't know where to look, or how to ask. Go with it! Thomas * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From rclark at aa.net Tue Nov 18 16:08:16 1997 From: rclark at aa.net (Rod Clark) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:08:16 +0000 Subject: new (test) main menu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199711190810.AAA29334@big.aa.net> > **great!** > > Much easier to navigate! > > Easier to find what I had looked for but didn't know where to look, or how > to ask. > > Go with it! > > Thomas The above is the only comment received so far on the Freeport test menus, other than a bug report that turned out to be a missing dot in an SCN forum name on one of the new menus. I'm reluctant to switch over with so little feedback, but 1) the changes are limited to three of the Freeport menus, 2) we can easily change them back, and 3) Lois gave a well thought out rundown on what was wrong with the present menus, which was used to redesign the new ones, so the changes do have a basis in addressing actual user frustrations. So let's try out the new menus overnight, and see what people think. If they're not an improvement, we can either switch back or fix the specific difficulties that people mention. Rod Clark webadm at scn.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From bg221 at scn.org Wed Nov 19 16:14:02 1997 From: bg221 at scn.org (SCN User) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:14:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Forum for Seattle Eats Message-ID: <199711200014.QAA23352@scn.org> Where did this go? Used to be 5 - 27 - 3. Second Request. Thanks. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From rclark at pop.aa.net Wed Nov 19 11:14:29 1997 From: rclark at pop.aa.net (Rod Clark) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:14:29 +0000 Subject: Forum for Seattle Eats In-Reply-To: <199711200014.QAA23352@scn.org> Message-ID: <199711200316.TAA30439@moon.aa.net> > Where did this go? Used to be 5 - 27 - 3. Second Request. Thanks. Starting at the main menu, here's how you get there. 3 - Usenet Newsgroups and SCN Forums 3 - All Usenet Newsgroups and SCN Forums 27 - seattle... 3 - seattle.eats The numbered items on the menus aren't permanent. They change when new menu items are added. The Usenet menu now includes a number of new items, including quick lists of some of the most popular local area newsgroups and SCN forums. The seattle.eats newsgroup is now on the "Some Pacific NW Usenet Newsgroups" quick list. To get there that way, 3 - Usenet Newsgroups and SCN Forums 4 - Some Pacific NW Usenet Newsgroups 1 - seattle.eats Rod Clark webadm at scn.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From douglas Mon Nov 24 10:10:45 1997 From: douglas (Doug Schuler) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:10:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: pubnet-l Message-ID: <199711241810.KAA01897@scn.org> FYI > From: Shava Nerad Subject: pubnet-l at efn.org Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:54:32 -0800 (PST) The mailing list pubnet-l, for the discussion of public community networks which provide dial-up access to the Internet for the disadvantaged, is now available at efn.org. To subscribe, please send email to listproc at efn.org with the command: subscribe pubnet-l [your real name] in the body of the message. For more information on listproc commands, send email to listproc at efn.org with: help in the body of the message. I'm leaving for a week of vacation, but this is the last thing I'm setting up before I leave. My net access to Oregon may be limited (can you say "lag?") while I am in Boston visiting family and friends until a week from tomorrow. But I'm looking forward to getting this discussion going! If I have time after I pack tonight, I'll send some more information out. The list digests at 2am daily. Thanks! From shava at efn.org Fri Nov 21 17:54:32 1997 From: shava at efn.org (Shava Nerad) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:54:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: pubnet-l@efn.org Message-ID: <199711220154.RAA21779@garcia.efn.org> The mailing list pubnet-l, for the discussion of public community networks which provide dial-up access to the Internet for the disadvantaged, is now available at efn.org. To subscribe, please send email to listproc at efn.org with the command: subscribe pubnet-l [your real name] in the body of the message. For more information on listproc commands, send email to listproc at efn.org with: help in the body of the message. I'm leaving for a week of vacation, but this is the last thing I'm setting up before I leave. My net access to Oregon may be limited (can you say "lag?") while I am in Boston visiting family and friends until a week from tomorrow. But I'm looking forward to getting this discussion going! If I have time after I pack tonight, I'll send some more information out. The list digests at 2am daily. Thanks! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From bd252 at scn.org Wed Nov 26 11:10:12 1997 From: bd252 at scn.org (Kenneth J. Crandall) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:10:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: new (test) main menu In-Reply-To: <199711190810.AAA29334@big.aa.net> Message-ID: I have gotten so used the "go" statements that I haven't used the menu for a long time. I recently took time to look at the menu and I also believe that it simplifies finding things on SCN. ken Crandall On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Rod Clark wrote: > > **great!** > > > > Much easier to navigate! > > > > Easier to find what I had looked for but didn't know where to look, or how > > to ask. > > > > Go with it! > > > > Thomas > > The above is the only comment received so far on the > Freeport test menus, other than a bug report that turned out to > be a missing dot in an SCN forum name on one of the new menus. > > I'm reluctant to switch over with so little feedback, but 1) > the changes are limited to three of the Freeport menus, 2) we > can easily change them back, and 3) Lois gave a well thought > out rundown on what was wrong with the present menus, which was > used to redesign the new ones, so the changes do have a basis in > addressing actual user frustrations. > > So let's try out the new menus overnight, and see what > people think. If they're not an improvement, we can either > switch back or fix the specific difficulties that people > mention. > > Rod Clark > webadm at scn.org > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * > . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: > majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: > unsubscribe scn > END > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From bd252 at scn.org Wed Nov 26 11:10:12 1997 From: bd252 at scn.org (Kenneth J. Crandall) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:10:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: new (test) main menu In-Reply-To: <199711190810.AAA29334@big.aa.net> Message-ID: I have gotten so used the "go" statements that I haven't used the menu for a long time. I recently took time to look at the menu and I also believe that it simplifies finding things on SCN. ken Crandall On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Rod Clark wrote: > > **great!** > > > > Much easier to navigate! > > > > Easier to find what I had looked for but didn't know where to look, or how > > to ask. > > > > Go with it! > > > > Thomas > > The above is the only comment received so far on the > Freeport test menus, other than a bug report that turned out to > be a missing dot in an SCN forum name on one of the new menus. > > I'm reluctant to switch over with so little feedback, but 1) > the changes are limited to three of the Freeport menus, 2) we > can easily change them back, and 3) Lois gave a well thought > out rundown on what was wrong with the present menus, which was > used to redesign the new ones, so the changes do have a basis in > addressing actual user frustrations. > > So let's try out the new menus overnight, and see what > people think. If they're not an improvement, we can either > switch back or fix the specific difficulties that people > mention. > > Rod Clark > webadm at scn.org > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * > . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: > majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: > unsubscribe scn > END > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From douglas Thu Nov 27 12:09:36 1997 From: douglas (Doug Schuler) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 12:09:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Letter in today's Seattle Times Message-ID: <199711272009.MAA05548@scn.org> Here is a letter to the editor that I wrote that was printed in today's Seattle Times. -- Doug Editor, I want to thank Paul Andrews and Peter Lewis for their reports on the latest technological wizardry from COMDEX. Nobody can say that the computer industry hasn't kept busy! Yet under the veneer of excitement are growing doubts. One of these doubts, as Lewis reported, is that the Internet, despite its admittedly democratic potential, is likely to become more and more like television. Indeed the Internet without conscious and sustained public discussion, policy work, and institution creation, is likely to become an even vaster wasteland than TV, making today's broadcast television look like an exemplar of public good. Worse, as many fear, the "computer revolution" instead of helping people by providing new opportunities, is actually expanding the already deep divide between rich and poor. There is an increasing disillusionment with the technological pundits, or "digerati", who claim that next season's computer and communications technology will bring prosperity and democracy for all. Instead, my admiration -- and hope -- goes out to those people that University of California professor Philip Agre calls "public hackers", who realize that fancy technology does not a society make and are willing to say so. These are the people who are trying to figure out how we as a society can shape the new technology into tools and institutions that actually have lasting value. Although we are fortunate that a great many of these "public hackers" are working in Seattle, I fear that their voices may be lost in the overall din of unchecked technological celebration, as evidenced by the COMDEX Las Vegas extravaganza. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From jj at scn.org Sun Nov 30 00:11:01 1997 From: jj at scn.org (John Johnson) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:11:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: testing, testing Message-ID: (As you all are aware, we've been flooded with a mail loop from someone. This message is just a test to see if it is safe to come out yet. It would be best to not send anything to the 'scn' list until this problem has been cleared.) === JJ ================================================================= * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END