From douglas Fri May 1 08:25:38 1998 From: douglas (Doug Schuler) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "Democracy and Digital Media" conference (in Boston) Message-ID: <199805011525.IAA05965@scn.org> FYI, Here is the abstract of a presentation I'm giving at MIT next week at the Democracy and Digital Media conference. Ira Magaziner from the Clinton administration and several other digerati -- and non-digerati -- people will also be presenting. The web site is http://media-in-transition.mit.edu. -- Doug Democracy and the Internet: Reports of their Close Relationship Appears to have been Exaggerated Doug Schuler Abstract Democracy and Digital Media Conference MIT May, 1998 The media that democratic societies employ have profound effects on how democracy is conceptualized and practiced. Furthermore, any type of communication technology has some malleability and can be made less democratic or more so through a variety of means. The "digerati", on the other hand, seem to believe that the Internet is inherently democratic. Sadly most signs indicate that the Internet is becoming less -- not more -- democratic with each passing day. As an unrepentant meliorist I'll offer several concrete suggestions (such as community networks) in my talk which are worth considering in the event that we as a society decide that democracy deserves more than lip service. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From femme2 at scn.org Fri May 1 18:38:41 1998 From: femme2 at scn.org (Lorraine Pozzi) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTCNet greetings & post (fwd) Message-ID: A number of SCNers met Peter Miller when he was in Seattle for the HUD Community Learning Centers project. And, of course, many people involved in SCN are interested in telecommunications development/ legislation. For the rest of you, ... it's the delete key! Lorraine ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 01 May 1998 14:53:55 From: loka2 at amherst.edu To: Recipients of conference Subject: CTCNet greetings & post (fwd) From: Peter Miller ___________________forwarded message___________________ CTCNet Seeks Telecommunications Policy Researchers The Community Technology Centers' Network (CTCNet) is a support project and membership organization for more than 270 community- based organizations developing technology education and access programs for those ordinarily without access to these resources. Through our Loka Colleagues, we would like to establish relationships with researchers who have an interest in telecommunications policy that bears upon efforts to provide some sustainable source of support for community technology. Under the Telecommunications Act if 1996, there are special funds, discounts, and programs for schools, libraries, and health centers to develop their technology resources. There are, however, no such provisions for 501(c)3's in general to establish these programs and support them in an ongoing fashion. As of now, there are some small pots of public funds to help start up some of these programs, but for the most part, all funding and support is through special grants, public and private, and a range of entrepeneurial sources. For most community agencies, efforts to secure financial support are nearly as extensive as efforts to develop the programs. Some states and localities are beginning to legislate and establish regulatory guidelines that would provide such support, and CTCNet would like to be informed of these opportunities and help our affiliates make the most of them. If you are a researcher interested in telecommunications policy and community technology sustainability, CTCNet would very much like to know of your work. We are currently working on a number of scenarios for a submission to the OMB Watch Nonprofits and Technology grant program involving community groups in public policy through telecommunications (due June 1), so there is even some possibility of developing funding for research support in this arena. If you would like to learn more about CTCNet, check out our web page at http://www.ctcnet.org. For more on the OMB Watch grants program, visit http://ombwatch.org/www/ombw/npt/rfp.html. If you're interested in working with CTCNet in this arena, contact me at peterm at ctcnet.org. Thanks, Peter =========================================================== Peter Miller, Network Director Community Technology Centers' Network (CTCNet) Education Development Center 617/969-7100 x2736 55 Chapel St. Fax: 617/ 332-4318 Newton, MA 02158 peterm at ctcnet.org http://www.ctcnet.org =========================================================== * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From jj at scn.org Sat May 2 02:11:21 1998 From: jj at scn.org (John Johnson) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 02:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "Democracy and Digital Media" conference (in Boston) In-Reply-To: <199805011525.IAA05965@scn.org> Message-ID: By coincidence I overheard someone expounding today on whether our society might become technologically two-tiered: those with, and those without. And it reminded me of Leon Stover's "The Cultural Ecology of Chinese Civilization: Peasants and Elites in the Last of the Agrarian States". He articulates Julian Steward's thesis that classical Chinese culture was effectively bipartitie: the peasants were stuck in what was essentially a neolithic society of primitive agriculture, and the elite, who in a certain sense _were_ "culture", got everything else. I see it developing on the Web, and even in SCN, where the elite just can't do without full-graphics Pentium machines, 56 kbps modems, and PPP connections. And yet I doubt if the total residential Internet connectivity in even this country averages out to even 2400 baud. === JJ ================================================================= On Fri, 1 May 1998, Doug Schuler wrote: > Here is the abstract of a presentation I'm giving at MIT next week at > the Democracy and Digital Media conference. > [....] > Abstract > > The media that democratic societies employ have profound effects on how > democracy is conceptualized and practiced. Furthermore, any type of > communication technology has some malleability and can be made less > democratic or more so through a variety of means. The "digerati", on > the other hand, seem to believe that the Internet is inherently > democratic. Sadly most signs indicate that the Internet is becoming > less -- not more -- democratic with each passing day. .... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From kurt at grogatch.seaslug.org Sat May 2 12:40:54 1998 From: kurt at grogatch.seaslug.org (Kurt Cockrum) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:40:54 -0700 Subject: copyright -- to obey or not to obey, that is the question [sic] Message-ID: <199805021940.MAA07294@grogatch.seaslug.org> >From a posting by Steve: >[...] >The 20-year extension (now named the Sonny Bono Copyright Term >Extension Act) has passed the House and is awaiting action in the >Senate. Somebody should nominate the tree that got Bono for the Nobel Peace Prize. I recall a legal paper a number of years back entitled "Do Trees Have Standing?" (damn! can't remember the author!), so it ought to be possible :) . Be a nice political statement, anyway :) . > When the bill was first proposed in Congress in early 1997, >sponsors described it as a win-win situation, and proponents wondered >who, if anyone, could oppose it. > >Who? The public, in the broadest sense. We the people. >[...] Oh, yeah, right. The power of the pee-pul. The pee-pul, be-nighted, will never be de-feeted. Frankly, the public is a bunch of cowardly, pusillanimous wusses. If anything I care about is dependent on the ability of the American public to defend it, I might as well kiss it off. The most effectual thing Americans are capable of is "writing their congressman", and it's likely to be about the wrong thing, anyway. If Americans had it within them to actually rebel against, or resist bad laws, none of this would be a problem, because bad laws just wouldn't get obeyed. Those that do, can't expect much in the way of support from the majority of their fellows; trouble is, hardly any American is capable of thinking for themselves. They prefer to leave the driving to their congresscritter, being seduced by the concept of "law-abiding" citizen, no matter how crazy or against their interests the law is. Their support is something I wouldn't bet the farm on at all. No wonder Paul Schell can get away with stepped-up enforcement of the jaywalking ordinance! The last time there was any rebellious currents was in the `60's, and it got pretty well defused, partly because of co-optation and partly because it ran out of steam. And nobody learned from that how to keep a rebellion going, either. All it did was spawn a generation of Boomers whose chief worry now is that their kid will call bullshit on them when they try to tell the kid how harmful marijuana is. The Boomers had a fun time back then, but have been worthless in the fight to decriminalize that harmless substance and eliminate the Draconian penalities for its use, possession, and/or cultivation. So you'll pardon me if I'm skeptical about the oppositional capabilities of the American people. If anything, they are more like the Eastern Europeans, who seem to have an astounding capacity for oppression before opposition surfaces. The latter had it a *lot* worse than we *ever* did, and it still took from 40 to 70 years for the pot to boil over. And all they got out of the deal was the beginning of another 40-70-year cycle, this time from the opposite end of the political spectrum, and a crummy T-shirt with holes in it. But posting the NY Times stuff on this list is a step in the right direction, and I support it for that reason (go, Steve!). I don't like much of anything about the RCP, so I'll end this by ripping off *their* intellectual property: "It's Right To Rebel". --kurt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From douglas Sun May 3 18:31:58 1998 From: douglas (Doug Schuler) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTCNet greetings & post (fwd) Message-ID: <199805040131.SAA06336@scn.org> Lorraine (and other SCN volunteers), Thanks for the post from Peter Miller. He mentions a pretty good sounding grant opportunity from OMB. Perhaps SCN could send one out... "For more on the OMB Watch grants program, visit http://ombwatch.org/www/ombw/npt/rfp.html." -- Doug * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From douglas Sun May 3 18:44:24 1998 From: douglas (Doug Schuler) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "Democracy and Digital Media" conference (in Boston) Message-ID: <199805040144.SAA10100@scn.org> JJ, Thanks for the note. I'm now sensing that there is an increasing rejection of the technological utopianism and cyberlibertarian pronouncements that seem to have held sway for so many years. Maybe now is an even better opportunity for us than before to be promoting SCN and other grassroots democratic technology projects! (hope springs eternal...) -- Doug * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From steve at accessone.com Mon May 4 01:42:38 1998 From: steve at accessone.com (Steve Hoffman) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:42:38 -0800 Subject: Encryption & First Amendment Message-ID: <199805040741.AAA08551@accessone.com> 2 Encryption Cases Cast Shadow on Academia Laurie J. Flynn NY Times 5/3/98 Daniel Bernstein, a math professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, routinely makes his course materials available for students and researchers, both within and outside of the university. Likewise, Peter Junger, law professor at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, widely distributes the coursework to his popular class Computers and the Law. But while one may teach math and the other law, the two share something in common: both are prevented from posting their course materials on the Internet. The reason? Profs. Bernstein and Junger's coursework includes encryption software, computer code whose export is regulated by the United States Department of Commerce. As a result, they share something else: Both men are awaiting decisions in separate lawsuits claiming that the government is violating their right to free speech under the First Amendment. Separate rulings are expected any day in both cases. The outcome, legal experts say, could have broad-reaching effects on the future of electronic commerce as well as academic freedom. The cases have been watched closely by legal experts and government agencies, as well as computer industry executives who have been lobbying furiously for the federal government to remove all restrictions on exporting software. (A third lawsuit involving encryption software, Karn v. the U.S. Department of State, was expected to have broad implications as well, but that case is stalled in the courts.) Just last week, the United States District Court of Eastern Ohio heard oral arguments in the Junger case, which Junger originally filed back in 1996 when he was told he would need an export license before he could post his Computers and the Law class on the Web. At last week's hearing, Junger's lawyer, Raymond Vasvari, argued, as Bernstein's lawyers before him, that encryption software is protected speech. The government countered that encryption is not a form of speech, but rather a function of the software. A lawyer torney for the Justice Department said all the government is trying to do is regulate the function. But after the hearing, Junger said he felt if the government were to prevail it could apply the same logic to preventing other types of material from being published electronically. "If the government can constitutionally require me to get a license, which I probably can't get, before I publish encryption software, they could require me to get a license before I publish any sort of software," Junger said. Vasvari also contends that the Commerce Department's process for granting licenses appears flawed and muddled. Government officials, he said, use "standardless discretion" in deciding the fate of applications. "We don't know who decides or what criteria they use," he said. But the case has even broader implications than free speech law. The issue of encryption regulation has been debated for years. Government and law enforcement officials have long argued that encryption software must be regulated to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands: high-tech criminals and foreign governments who could use it to cover their tracks. Computer industry officials and free-speech advocates, on the other hand, say the restrictions damage the U.S. software industry and that the export restrictions on U.S.-made encryption software is leading to the export of programming jobs to countries without such regulations. They also argue that encryption is already widely available around the world. Working for Junger is a 1996 ruling in the Bernstein case. In that case, Judge Marilyn H. Patel ruled nearly two years ago that software was, in essence, speech, and that the government's restrictions on Bernstein amounted to an illegal prior restraint on speech and therefore a violation of the First Amendment. But the government appealed, leaving Bernstein still unable to publish his ideas electronically while an appeals court decides the fate of the case. Last December, a three-judge panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals heard the appeal and is currently considering Patel's 1996 decision. Bernstein's suit dates back to February 1995, when he was a graduate student at the University of California at Berkeley. At the time, State Department officials told him he would have to submit his ideas about cryptography to the government for review, get a government license and register as an arms dealer before he could publish an electronic version of a short encryption program he had written called Snuffle. Without such a license he could not even discuss his ideas at conferences, which foreigners might attend, or publish them on the Internet, where they could be viewed overseas. That was until last year, when the Clinton administration shifted encryption regulation from the State Department to the Commerce Department. With that shift, software that scrambles communications is no longer classified as a weapon, though it is still subject to export rules. Under current regulations, it is legal to send computer source code overseas in printed form but not electronically. In its appeal, the government argued that it was trying to preserve the ability of intelligence agencies to eavesdrop on foreign governments and citizens. In preventing Bernstein from publishing Snuffle electronically, government lawyers argued that what was being restricted was not speech but the medium of the Internet, which makes it easy for foreigners to use Bernstein's source code to encrypt data. It's now been nearly five months since a panel of three judges heard the government's appeal, and nobody is watching more intently than Federal District Judge James S. Gwin, the presiding judge in the Junger case. But even when the two cases are decided, it won't likely be the end of either one. Any decision in Bernstein is almost certain to result in an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, legal experts say. In Junger, the case is likely to be sent to an appeals court. Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From steve at accessone.com Fri May 8 09:12:27 1998 From: steve at accessone.com (Steve Hoffman) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:12:27 -0800 Subject: Spam Message-ID: <199805081511.IAA13424@accessone.com> The American Way of Spam Amy Harmon NY Times 5/8/98 CHINO, Calif. -- The life of a spammer is no bowl of cybercherries. Damien Melle, who makes a living sending huge amounts of e-mail advertising over the Internet, works out of his home in this hardscrabble Southern California suburb, in an office where the smell of fried food lingers like, say, unwanted e-mail in your In box. On a recent afternoon, he fielded half a dozen hate calls. His Internet service provider canceled his account, again. And another Federal Express letter arrived from America Online's lawyers. They had subpoenaed his laptop from the shop where it was in for repairs. On the bright side, no dog feces had come in the mail, as has happened at least once, and the anti-spammer vigilantes who had been tracking him seemed to have lost the scent somewhere in the ether. There was also the tally of the previous month's profits on the white board, the only wall covering except for a picture of the Virgin Mary. In March, Melle said, his company, which he runs with his brother Joe, cleared about $11,000. "I made a lot of money last month, and I was at home," said Melle, 22, who manages, despite his travails, to make a daily delivery of about a half-million e-mail promotions. "I'll never work for a big company again. The Internet is an opportunity for people like us. That's why the big companies are nervous." Joe Melle, 31, who runs his part of the operation from Norristown, Pa., said, "We're just trying to put food on the table." The brothers Melle are on the front lines of the spam wars, cyberspace's first all-out internecine conflict. Depending on which side you talk to, the stakes are, roughly, the future of capitalism, free expression and the American Way or the future of the Internet, individual privacy and the American Way. "One of us has got to go off this Net, and it ain't going to be me," said Ron Guilmette, a software engineer in Sacramento, Calif., who is developing a program to block spam. Like many aspiring electronic entrepreneurs, the Melles started a few years back by culling addresses by hand from the Web and e-mail discussion groups. Now computer programs with unrepentant names like Cyber Bomber and Stealth Mass Mailer help thousands of spammers keep their self-appointed rounds, with relative anonymity to boot. As a result, it has become essentially impossible to overstate just how much various Internet factions abhor those who send junk e-mail (although many are happy to try). Internet access providers whose systems are clogged with commercial mail blame the spammers for slowing down the whole system. Subscribers revile them for sullying their mailboxes, and those of their Net-loving children, with offers of free hot sex, XXX photos, discount dental plans and tips on how they, too, might partake of the bulk-mail bounty from outfits like Money4you at dreamscometrue.com. The war even has its own language. Spammers spoof headers (to hide their real e-mail addresses), relay-rape overseas mail servers (routing their mail through an unsuspecting computer to avoid making their service providers suspicious) and shield their computers' whereabouts with cloaking programs. Anti-spammers retaliate with mail bombs (barraging their antagonists with a taste of their own medicine), computer code patches for security holes and the formidable Real-Time Black Hole List, part of a boycott campaign of providers who service known spammers. On the Spam-L list-serve, an online bastion of the spam-haters, members know their quarry by name: "Alex Chiu is back," one wrote. "Nuke him." (In an interview, the beleaguered Chiu, 27, said he had quit his job at a duty-free shop in San Francisco to market an anti-aging device he had invented. Now he sends out mail for clients, too, including sex-toy stores and individuals offering do-it-yourself business plans. Among his reasons for turning to spam: "I'm an environmentalist." Spam, of course, wastes no paper.) Another spammer, Dan Hufnal, head of the Direct E-Mail Advertisers Association, said: "These people will go to any means to punish any company that would advertise this way or provide the connectivity for others who wish to do so. They're nothing short of terrorists. They don't act any different from the I.R.A." Hufnal's attempts to provide Internet access for bulk e-mailers have been thwarted by a group of network engineers who identify spammers and shut them out of much of the Net. Both sides display a tendency toward hyperbole that seems endemic to their chosen medium. But spam is a genuinely troubling flash point for so many because it lays bare both the pros and cons of the Internet's unique brand of democratic expression. The network's much-celebrated capacity to turn anyone with $20-a-month access into a publisher or entrepreneur is also what allows spammers to thrive. Yet anti-spam activists, or "anti-E-commerce radicals," as Hufnal calls them, insist that it is bulk e-mail itself that endangers electronic free speech. For proof, they point to the spam siege of Usenet, a portion of the Internet devoted to public bulletin boards where thousands of subjects are discussed. Usenet newsgroups were the target of two notorious spam pioneers, Laurence Canter and Martha Siegel, immigration lawyers who in 1994 posted vast numbers of messages offering assistance in entering the green card lottery. Despite the efforts of software known as cancelbots and human "despammers," many of the newsgroups have since been overrun with junk messages. "As someone who is very concerned with free speech on the Net, it certainly makes me anxious that this is the way the market is developing," said Dierdre Mulligan, staff counsel for the Center for Democracy and Technology, a public-interest group, and author of a report by the Federal Trade Commission's working group on spam that is scheduled for release this week. "But as someone who received three unsolicited political e-mails and 22 commercial e-mails today, I think the more we can let people tailor what they want to receive, the better." The term spam, taken from the name of the spiced lunch meat relentlessly doled out in Army rations, morphed into an epithet when Internet denizens adopted it to refer to unsolicited promotional messages. So negative is the connotation that Hormel Foods, which holds the trademark for Spam, sent a cease-and-desist letter to one publicity-minded spammer who held a press conference surrounded by cans of the pink product. Less clear is whether spam is universally undesirable or whether, as one spammer puts it, "one man's spam is another man's caviar." Junk e-mail's bad rap is largely due to its tendency to promote get-rich-quick schemes or pornographic Web sites. But there are already laws governing e-mail that is fraudulent or obscene. Spammers marketing legitimate products -- they prefer to be called bulk e-mailers -- insist that there are plenty of people who welcome their missives. Or how would they be making money? Joel Theodore, 31, of Long Island, who promotes his company's computer systems via e-mail, responded to an Internet posting titled, "Repent, sinner!" by writing: "The truth is, most businesses are not repenting merely because of the fact that it is profitable. The reality is we are not just irresponsible people. We have done our best to target mail. We also have made sure no one will ever get another one if they do not want it. We also do not use any illegal practices. If you don't want to read it, hit delete!" That's easy to say, retort the anti-spammers -- they prefer to be called pro-privacy advocates -- but consider the following: "If a spammer sends a million pieces of e-mail out for a worthless piece of merchandise, that means a million people are going to have to delete the e-mail or respond to it," said Jim Nitchals, a regular on the net-abuse.email Internet discussion group. "Add up the number of seconds, and we're talking days and months of human suffering and waste of energy and time." And cash. Since it costs spammers about the same to send 10 million pieces of mail as it does to send 10, there is no natural barrier to entry. And unlike junk snail mail, spam haters contend, e-mail passes on the cost of the advertisement to the providers who transmit it and recipients who pay for connect time to download it. America Online, for instance, estimates that as much as 30 percent of the all the Internet mail it processes is junk mail, at a cost that may eventually pass on to users. The nation's biggest on-line service, AOL, whose subscribers suffer the indignities of spam perhaps more than anyone else, has won several recent court victories over junk e-mailers, prohibiting them from sending unsolicited bulk e-mail to the service. The Melles are next on AOL's list. In a suit filed in Federal District Court in Alexandria, Va., AOL is seeking an injunction against the Melles' company, TSF Marketing, which earlier this year threatened to make public five million AOL subscriber addresses unless the company relaxed its restrictions on bulk mailers. But spammers are fond of pointing out that AOL itself bombards users with infuriating pop-up advertisements touting such offers as "easy 1-step photo scanning" every time they log on. And as mainstream advertisers and nonprofit and political organizations contemplate using bulk e-mail as a way to get their messages out, just what qualifies as spam becomes increasingly murky. The Democratic Party in California, for instance, plans to send e-mail to thousands of voters with a slate of endorsements and information on the party's candidates this year. "It's hard to get a fixed definition of spam," Mulligan said. "You know it when you see it." The war on spam is making an impact. Many Internet service providers have adopted subscriber contracts that prohibit sending bulk e-mail, and even "bulk friendly" providers have been hounded into changing their policies. Sanford Wallace, known as the Spam King -- at his peak, he was sending 25 million pieces of mail a day -- said last month that he was retiring from the trade. Now Congress is considering three anti-spam bills, one of which would hold junk e-mail to the same standard as junk faxes. Courts have found some spammers liable for trespassing, and Internet users are adopting a host of new technological defenses. The new version of Microsoft's e-mail software, for instance, includes a feature -- based on an analysis of 2,000 pieces of spam -- that automatically blocks messages containing phrases like "for free!" or whose subject line contains both an exclamation point and a question mark. Such measures do not impress Paul Vixie, the administrator of the Realtime Black Hole List, into which spammers have been known to disappear forever. Vixie, who wrote one of the programs that makes the Internet run, remembers the days when the network was spam-free. Now he gets spam about 100 times a day. So he is fighting back. With a posse of volunteers, Vixie tracks each piece of junk mail he receives to its source -- or as close as he can get. He then informs the spammer's service provider that it is harboring a Net transgressor. The provider has a choice: ditch the spammer or suffer the consequences. If a provider fails to take action, it is dropped into the abyss of the Black Hole List, which means that none of its subscribers can send e-mail to other providers who support Vixie's efforts. Vixie estimates that about one-fifth of the service providers on the Net support such e-mail boycotts. "See, it's raising the hair on the back of my neck," he told a visitor recently as he hunched over his computer in his Silicon Valley office and stalked his prey. "This is just not O.K. with me. Fundamentally, this is an abuse of a privilege. All Internet communications should be consensual." The Black Hole List maintainers realize that their tactics punish some innocent victims. But they are adamant about their right to refuse traffic from any Internet providers friendly to spam. "It's heartbreaking for me to get e-mail from somebody's mother who can't send mail to her son at college because the school subscribes to the Black Hole List," Vixie said. "But I write them back and say: 'I'm sorry you're being inconvenienced. But your provider is spamming me. And they won't stop.' " Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From ANamioka at activevoice.com Wed May 13 14:02:10 1998 From: ANamioka at activevoice.com (Aki Namioka) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:02:10 -0700 Subject: Filtering bill Message-ID: <3F8442FB250CD111957300A024C65C69DA0977@EXCHANGE2.activevoice.com> I will be debating Sen. Patty Murray and Donna Rice about the filtering bill that they have sponsored - that requires filters in schools and libraries, this Sunday on KOMO's town meeting. We need more free speech supporters in the audience - please attend. It is THIS SUNDAY, the 17th at around 5:00 PM. Please contact KOMO for tickets: call (206) 443-4186. Plan to show up at 5:00 PM. Due to construction at KOMO there is no more parking lot. Aki Aki Helen Namioka Software Engineering Manager, Voice Server Products Active Voice Corporation anamioka at activevoice.com 1+206-441-4700 X210 Fax:1+206-505-0210 http://www.activevoice.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From bb615 at scn.org Wed May 13 09:16:37 1998 From: bb615 at scn.org (Rod Clark) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:16:37 +0000 Subject: Filtering bill In-Reply-To: <3F8442FB250CD111957300A024C65C69DA0977@EXCHANGE2.activevoice.com> Message-ID: <199805140125.SAA02753@scn.org> > I will be debating Sen. Patty Murray and Donna Rice about the > filtering bill that they have sponsored - that requires filters > in schools and libraries, ... Aki, Would you (or anyone) like to suggest good current material for SCN's Internet free speech page? It hasn't been updated in quite a while. http://www.scn.org/tele95/censor.html Rod Clark * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From bb156 at scn.org Sat May 16 19:30:28 1998 From: bb156 at scn.org (Andrew Higgins) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: SCN User To: vm at scn.org Subject: Re: Voice mail response HEY, THANKS!!! You folks at SCN are indeed THE GREATEST! I am a technophobe with little $ to spend on computer fancy stuff. Without SCN I wouldn't have access to email at all. The service provided by SNC has opened up my world. So-THANKS AND MORE THANKS to all you dedicated volunteers at SCN who keep the ball rolling! Cordially, "Jazzbo" P.S. Please feel free to forward my message of gratitude to as many people in your organization as you'd like. Just want you all to know that your efforts and hours of work are appreciated probably more than you'll ever know.... > >Hi. > >I got both of your messages and I'm glad to hear that everything is >working now, but I thought I'd let you know what the problem was before in >case it happens again. > >When for one reason or another you get cutoff during the reading of mail >and then quickly log back in you'll get the "mail is already running" >message. So you just have to let the computer catch up and give it a >little more time before you log back in. This should take 20 minutes at >most. > >-Sheri > > From the Seattle Community Network voice mail volunteers > Call us at 365-4528 and leave a message, or email to vm at scn.org > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From help at scn.org Sat May 16 22:27:55 1998 From: help at scn.org (SCN help) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A public apology In-Reply-To: <199802120333.VAA09822@vision.hic.net> Message-ID: Sorry for not getting back to you sooner Reynold...we are a bit shorthanded here. In any case, wanted to let you know your apology is appreciated and will be passed on to our membership as best we can (we do not even do bulk e-mail to our own members!) From the SCN Help Desk: allen On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, www.mallsurfer.com wrote: > I don't really know how to do this except to send a message again to > those who I have already written to. I do not wish to be listed > amoung the spamming community so this is my public apology for sending > out spam, UBE, or whatever else it is called. > > Thanks to those who have taken the time to correct me and thus redeem > me from the hazards of this medium. > > Reynold M. de Guzman > deguzman at mallsurfer.com > http://www.mallsurfer.com/deguzman > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From steve at accessone.com Sun May 17 22:24:20 1998 From: steve at accessone.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:24:20 -0800 Subject: Universal access Message-ID: <199805180423.VAA05062@accessone.com> Online Debate Includes Doubts About Getting Everyone Online Rebecca Fairley Raney NY Times 5/18/98 Shahidul Alam tells a story of his group's electronic post office in Dhaka, Bangladesh, a place where people who cannot afford computers can go to check their e-mail: "Our oldest user, Golam Kasem, had just turned 103 and had never seen a computer before. I would cycle over to his house in Indira Road with a printout of a message from his grandson in Canada and next day peddle up to collect his reply. I remember the frail old man, straightening up the computer printout and adjusting his thick glasses as he held the paper by his tungsten lamp." The image of the centenarian, the bicycle and the printout opened the Markle Foundation's online conference on the possibilities of universal e-mail. The conference, which was being conducted by e-mail, started May 4 and continued through last Friday. While the concept of an online conference may seem, at first glance, an obscure event, the profile of this conference was heightened with a post from Vice President Al Gore. In his post, Gore stressed the need to improve public access to the Internet through libraries and schools. "One of the most important goals that President Clinton and I have set for this country," the post said, "is to give every child in America access to high quality educational technology by the dawn of the new century and to make sure that every person in America -- regardless of race, income or where they live -- will be able to participate in and benefit from the Information Revolution we are currently experiencing." Several days before that post, Alam's story from Bangladesh brought down to basics a concept that has inspired gushing idealism from people who work with computers and sharp criticism from people who work with the poor. Charles Ardai, president of Juno Online Services, which provides free e-mail accounts, set a tone with an essay that explained the need for outreach. People need computer training, he argued, before e-mail can become a universal medium. In addition to training, universal access would require less expensive equipment for e-mail, organizations willing to run huge server plants and, in the absence of revenue, public subsidies. "Without this," he wrote, "the danger exists that Internet access and e-mail could become a toy (or, worse still, a weapon) in the hands of a wealthy, already-powerful elite. Imagine if only people with incomes of $100,000 or above had telephones, if only people under 35 had TVs and VCRs, if only college-educated people had answering machines. Imagine if e-mail were the way lawyers communicated with politicians and CEOs with investment bankers, while the remainder of the population was left out. To a first-order approximation, this is the case: by and large, it is the wealthier, younger, better-educated segment of society that is using e-mail. "If e-mail is to be a force for good rather than ill," he concluded, "it must not stop there." Naturally, the notion of public subsidies made some participants squeamish. "I'm concerned about naïve enthusiasm that leads to ideas such as creating a bureaucracy to support e-mail," wrote Bob Frankston, a developer of computer applications who has worked for Lotus and Microsoft. "The term 'Universal E-mail' makes me think of the Universal Service fund, which has become an effective means of keeping telephony a backwater of technology." Strong participation from people in developing countries has kept the discussion down-to-earth. In addition to reminders that any "universal" system should be approached with the consideration that the world is made up of more than North America, several participants asked how to get around the problem of lack of access to electricity. In an essay called "E-Mail for All -- What For?" Alfonso Gumucio Dagron of the Center for Development Communication in Guatemala City wrote: "Yes, it will be nice that everyone has access to e-mail in our world. But first things first, it will be even better if everyone had access to safe water, to electricity and the luxury of telephone. Please, get into the shoes of 90% of real people in the real world. How many of them need e-mail today and for what?" Dagron questioned whether global e-mail would even be desirable. "People want to defend their cultures, they don't want to be submerged by 'globalization,' " he wrote. "We hope that e-mail and Internet will not become another way to deprive people from their culture, as it's happening with the globalization of cable and satellite TV." This conference is a component of four years of efforts by the Markle Foundation to explore the issues surrounding the concept of universal e-mail. In a series of studies, reports and conferences, the E-Mail For All project has pursued questions about society's need for e-mail, the role of industry and the role of the government. The project began by raising questions as to whether access to e-mail could be considered a social issue; after determining that it is a social issue, Markle's efforts are moving toward creating a national dialogue on public policy regarding the issue. The online conference, the first event in the project held exclusively on the Internet, was organized largely by e-mail. The event's host, Steven Clift, posted invitations to 50 e-mail discussion lists. Two hundred participants had been expected, but by May 8, 700 people from 30 countries had signed up. "We've hit a vein," said Edith Bjornson, vice president of the Markle Foundation, who was thrilled to see the issues discussed in a forum Vice President of the United States. That notion in itself helps make the case for universal access, she said. "It so vindicates our assumptions on the power of the medium," Bjornson said. "There's something notable going on here and, needless to say, we're delighted." Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From steve at accessone.com Tue May 19 08:11:20 1998 From: steve at accessone.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:11:20 -0800 Subject: Cookies Message-ID: <199805191410.HAA23275@accessone.com> The Web's Cookie Monsters Don't Take No for an Answer Gene Koprowski Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition How would you react if you strolled into a store on Fifth Avenue and a salesman followed you around from aisle to aisle, taking down notes every time you casually eyed something on the rack? You'd probably bolt out of the store never to return again -- even if you were told all that note-taking was intended to give you better customer service. Veteran Internet users say that this kind of cartoonish sales approach is popping up on too many commercial Web sites, thanks to the overzealous use of technology known as "cookies." And long term, an over-reliance on this intrusive marketing tool could cause something of a backlash against Web commerce. "I was offered 36 cookies in the process of searching for one title" on a well-known Internet-commerce site recently, says Ryan Wilson, vice president of the information-technology group at Karakas, VanSickle & Ouellette, a Portland, Ore., public-relations agency, in a typical lament. "I sent a 'what gives' note ... and received a form letter explaining what cookies are. Sheesh!" But Mr. Wilson got the last laugh -- he says he rarely does business with the offending site now. What exactly are cookies, and how have they become such a sometimes-unwelcome part of our on-line lives? First off, there are a variety of evil abilities widely ascribed to cookies that they simply don't have, such as the ability to sneak privileged information off your hard drive or send you viruses. Cookies are digital identification tags, small files sent to your computer by a site's server. They're used by Web masters for a variety of reasons, including gathering certain information about visitors and tracking their movements. Such information is then often used to provide customized content to visitors. (The Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition describes its use of cookies as "an inherent part of our production process," but offers a lengthy Cookie Disclosure Statement for its users' perusal.) The marketing theory behind all of this was first espoused in the book The One-to-One Future by marketers Don Peppers and Martha Rogers. The concept is this: Companies can better serve their customers if they know what they want, and, by using electronic tags, Web marketers can essentially get into the unconscious minds of their prospects and deliver the products of their dreams to them. "Information about your age, occupation, lifestyle, income level, marital status, buying preferences" could be conveyed via cookies to the marketer, says Michael Schmarak, a spokesman for GlobalLink New Media, a developer whose clients include General Motors, Volvo and Ford. "For example, I am a big jazz-guitar fan. I may visit a Web site and hear jazz-guitar music in the background while the navigation buttons all look like jazz guitars. This allows marketers to custom-tailor their messages to individual tastes and preferences." It's a great theory -- but in practice, cookies can be mysterious, a bit frightening, and more than a bit annoying -- especially if you're one of the many surfers with a browser set to warn you before accepting a cookie. That function is built into browsers, as is the capability to refuse cookies. But all too many of the Web's cookie monsters have adopted a stance that amounts to force-feeding surfers these goodies -- and lecturing those who don't have a sweet tooth. Some surfers charge that the worst of the cookie monsters substitute haranguing hapless visitors about how great cookies are for customer service for actually providing such solid service. Jane Waller, president of the IceGroup Inc., a Wakefield, Mass., e-commerce consultant, reserves her scorn for the household name in software that gets "quite upset" with anyone who rejects a cookie on their site and redirects the offender to "a 'come to cookies' sermon." "Interestingly, they've toned down the language recently from a 'Can we talk?' in-your-face kind of pitch to a milk-and-honey approach," she says. "Now, you can almost hear the sweet music and imagine the lights dimming as they launch into their 'why cookies are good for you' story." Then there are sites that take a passive-aggressive approach to cookie refusers. Take one retailer of sporting goods and clothing that's recently set up shop in the on-line world. Surf to its site with the cookie function disabled on your browser and the site's server will offer up an error message, without any hint that the "error" was caused by your refusal to play along with its marketers. Turn the cookies function back on and the problem goes away. "There has to be a better way," says Mr. Wilson. Some surfers have determined to have it both ways, seeking out software available to arm them in what's becoming a cookie arms race. There are programs such as Cookie Crusher that automatically accept or reject cookies based on your preferences; as well as others that trick sites into thinking cookies have been accepted when they haven't, or accept them and then discard them the minute you surf somewhere else -- the cyberspace equivalent of taking the cookie, hiding it in your fist and crumbling it into dust under the table. Fortunately, there is the better way that Mr. Wilson is seeking -- and marketers like Lands' End (www.landsend.com) are among the practitioners. The first step, says Alby Segall, president of Alby Segall & Associates, a Denver public-relations consulting firm, is to practice "permission marketing" with cookies. In other words, Web sites shouldn't automatically try to milk information from customers with cookies when they first arrive at the site -- they should take a more gradual approach. "Be clear and let them know exactly what you want," says Ms. Segall. Next, if the customer refuses to provide the information, they should still be able to see the site, and not have to suffer through needless error messages or some other such cyber-punishment. "You have to allow visitors, if they wish, to opt out of the cookie process," says Ira Victor, president of 452 Degrees, a San Francisco interactive Web consulting group. In addition to that, the Web site should offer the customer (or potential customer) some real benefit for providing the information that is requested -- not just some spin about how great everything will be once they provide the information requested. Some sites do take these issues seriously. Take on-line toy retailer Holt Educational Outlet, which recently conducted focus groups to determine if using cookies on its site (www.holtoutlet.com) was appropriate. "Customers were not afraid to use the cookie as long as the next time they logged on, they were greeted with 'Hi, XYZ customer' and were offered special pricing and discounts based upon their particular buying habits," says Annie D. Bourgeois, a spokeswoman for Holt. Not all -- or even most -- uses of cookies are sneaky. Some are time-savers, like those that save your user name and password to save you typing whenever you visit a site. Others are all but essential to e-commerce, such as cookies that keep track of products ordered in a virtual shopping cart and then are used to total the order when you check out. Long-term, on-line marketers hope that the rogues among them will start treating cyberspace's customers the same way customers in the bricks-and-mortar demand to be treated: with courtesy and respect. And they note that some of the annoying technological problems with cookies will eventually be solved. But for the short-term, Web surfers face some disagreeable choices: Keep opening wide to gobble down sweets from a stranger, get under the hood of your browser to install a plug-in that lets you cheat, or endure the technological cold shoulder given to those who dare to turn off the cookie function. "Data-collection folks see them as fortune cookies," says Ms. Waller, speaking for countless other surfers. "I, personally, just toss my cookies." Copyright c 1998 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From spban at eskimo.com Tue May 19 09:11:50 1998 From: spban at eskimo.com (Stefani Banerian) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:11:50 -0700 Subject: Cookies References: <199805191410.HAA23275@accessone.com> Message-ID: <3561AF46.82F28307@eskimo.com> Steve wrote: > > The Web's Cookie Monsters Don't Take No for an Answer > > Gene Koprowski > Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition (snip) An anonymous cookie program can be obtained from : http://www.luckman.com/anoncookie/index.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From douglas Wed May 20 10:47:27 1998 From: douglas (Doug Schuler) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Evergreen Software Fair Message-ID: <199805201747.KAA29179@scn.org> Hello, This could conceivably be of interest to some of you -- especially since one of the projects is a calendar system for SCN. I have been working with these students since September. -- Doug ------------------------------------------ Can be redistributed to appropriate people ------------------------------------------ YOU'RE INVITED..... SOS Student Software Fair - June 2!!!! SOFTWARE FAIR! June 2, 1998 3 - 6 pm Library Foyer, 3rd Floor The Evergreen State College Olympia, WA (driving instructions below) The software fair is an opportunity for Evergreen students from the "Student Originated Software" (SOS) program to present their software projects at this bi-annual event. SOS is a year-long program dedicated toward reliable, effective team development of tomorrow's business, science, and entrepreneurial software. This year's projects: * Bioinformatics Automated Research Tool * African Fractals Laboratory * Collaboratory Group * Dynomatics: Real-time Audio Software * Business Systems Software Project * Distributed-Redundant Automation Toolkit * DSHS Accessibility and Quality Indicator (AQI) * Aging & Adult Services Boarding Home Database * The Seattle Community Network Calendar * The Virtual Forest -- Tree Virtual Imaging System * HEPCAT: Human Destruction Game For more information about the Fair, see http://evergreen.edu/sos There will be a Reception following the fair, in Library 4300. If you plan to attend the reception, please RSVP via email to "sosfair at evergreen.edu". PS. The Graphics Imaging Lounge 1st Annual DIGITAL ART SHOW will also be presenting their work, 12:00 PM - 7:00 PM, in the First Floor Library, rm 1314. The show will feature original, creative, and experimental work from students in digital audio, photography and video; web page design, interactive multimedia, 3d modeling, and computer animation. For more information, see http://192.211.16.13/curricular/digital_photo/imaging/GIL.HTM PPS. From Seattle, go south on I-5, take the 101 N exit in Olympia and follow signs to The Evergreen State College. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From femme2 at scn.org Wed May 20 18:04:31 1998 From: femme2 at scn.org (Lorraine Pozzi) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wallingford Web page Message-ID: Steve Ruden, manager of the Good Shepherd Center, told me that there will be a meeting, probably next week, of the group setting up a Webpage for "Weaving Wallingford." They would like someone from SCN to talk about "structure" in developing a Web page. (This is interesting, because I don't believe they are putting this Web page on SCN.) Nevertheless, I think it might be a good opportunity to do some community relations/PR work. It will probably be held mid-day, which will eliminate most volunteers. I am certainly not a good candidate for this talk, but could possibly fake it with handouts on universal design, a bit of common sense, and some advice. But it would be much better if we had a more competent volunteer. If anyone is interested and could have an hour or two free on a week day, I'll let you know when they schedule this meeting. Lorraine femme2 at scn.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From anitra at speakeasy.org Wed May 20 20:22:00 1998 From: anitra at speakeasy.org (Anitra Freeman) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wallingford Web page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 1:04 AM -0000 5/21/98, Lorraine Pozzi wrote: >Steve Ruden, manager of the Good Shepherd Center, told me that >there will be a meeting, probably next week, of the group setting >up a Webpage for "Weaving Wallingford." They would like someone >from SCN to talk about "structure" in developing a Web page. Right up my alley, Lorraine. :) I even used to live in Wallingford, once. Just let me know the time and place. I don't have any problem making meetings during the day, unless they are in the m******g, and that can even be handled with coffee. Write On! -- Anitra http://www.scn.org/~alf1701/ "Effective Activism on the Internet" -- help in designing and promoting your website and survival in the electron tunnels of email lists * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From bb615 at scn.org Thu May 21 12:46:57 1998 From: bb615 at scn.org (Rod Clark) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:46:57 +0000 Subject: User test: Easier to make a personal Web page Message-ID: <199805220252.TAA18114@scn.org> On the User Test menu, which I hope some of you can see on the login menus (as far as I know, anyone can volunteer for User Test, and the more the merrier), there's now an item marked "Create a Personal Web Site." This same item is also on the Information Provider test menu. Any feedback would be good, before it goes on the general user menus for everyone to bash away at. This saves Web Admin from manually typing "makeweb bx999 Joe Q. Public" for each Web site request, which isn't quite trivial even though it looks like it, since this has got well up into the hundreds of them now. The program on the menu finds your SCN account name automatically (for the e-mail address on your home page), so all you have to do is to type the name or nickname that you'd like to appear on your page (this is especially handy for the ubiquitous SCN User). You can change it later with Pico, from the "Work with Your Files" menu, or upload pages made with whatever tools you prefer to use on your PC. Rod Clark * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From vrock at scn.org Tue May 26 20:48:05 1998 From: vrock at scn.org (Valerie Orrock) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The question of support Message-ID: <199805270348.UAA04162@scn.org> I've got a question for you. Has anyone told you that the folks that maintain this network are doing a great job and are appreciated? Well if they haven't, I am. I don't have a whole lot of money to give you, and I'm sure the volunteers on this project don't have an enormous amount of extra time, so I'll keep it short. Maintaining this network is a beautiful on behalf of free speech and access to information. It's basic, it's got problems, but I get my bloody e-mail more than not. Thanks. -- You've been E'd by Valerie. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From mtsvme at scn.org Fri May 29 21:20:05 1998 From: mtsvme at scn.org (SCN User) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The question of support In-Reply-To: <199805270348.UAA04162@scn.org> Message-ID: I've got subscriptions to 2 other isp's, and right now, scn is the only one through which I can get or receive email. In other words, add my thanx as well. Thomas On Tue, 26 May 1998, Valerie Orrock wrote: > I've got a question for you. Has anyone told you that the folks > that maintain this network are doing a great job and are > appreciated? Well if they haven't, I am. I don't have a whole > lot of money to give you, and I'm sure the volunteers on this > project don't have an enormous amount of extra time, so I'll > keep it short. > > Maintaining this network is a beautiful on behalf of free speech > and access to information. It's basic, it's got problems, but > I get my bloody e-mail more than not. Thanks. > > -- > You've been E'd by Valerie. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * > . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: > majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: > unsubscribe scn > END > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From femme2 at scn.org Sat May 30 22:28:26 1998 From: femme2 at scn.org (Lorraine Pozzi) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Microsoft Pays Professors to Advertize (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 29 May 1998 16:04:57 From: loscott at eden.rutgers.edu To: Recipients of conference Subject: Microsoft Pays Professors to Advertize An excerpt from _The Chronicle of Higher Education_: (The complete text of the article is on the World Wide Web at: http://chronicle.com/data/articles.dir/art-44.dir/issue-33.dir/33a03001.htm April 24, 1998 Microsoft Pays $200 for Mentioning Its Tools By LISA GUERNSEY The software king has a deal for you. If you're a professor and you mention Microsoft programming tools in a scholarly presentation -- in fact, even if you just use the tools -- Microsoft will send you a check for $200. The company extends the offer on a World-Wide Web page for the "Academic Cooperative," a Microsoft program for computer-science professors. The Web site is maintained through Idaho State University (http://academicoop.isu.edu/Colleges/ FacultySpeakersProgram.html). Microsoft officials say the speakers' bureau, as it is called, is a well-intentioned effort to help faculty members cover their conference costs. Ethics watchdogs call it an unabashed attempt to turn professors into advertisers.... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to: majordomo at scn.org In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn END From steve at accessone.com Sun May 31 16:08:54 1998 From: steve at accessone.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:08:54 -0800 Subject: Libraries Message-ID: <199805312207.PAA09458@accessone.com> Los Angeles Libraries Experience Renaissance With Computer Use Rebecca Fairley Raney NY Times 5/31/98 LOS ANGELES -- In 1992, Elizabeth Martinez, the city librarian at that time, held a meeting that few people on staff can forget. She told a room of horrified librarians that by the next year, the card catalog, with its five million cards meticulously typed and filed over the years, would be fully automated. A lot of librarians decided to retire. The ones who stayed, however, are witnessing a renaissance in the city's libraries driven by the digitizing that frightened some members of the old guard. People are lining up on the sidewalks in the morning, waiting for the library to open, and when it opens, they run for the computers. They keep more than 1,000 terminals busy every day at 38 of the city's 67 branches. Now, cards from the old card catalog decorate the walls of the elevators in the central library downtown. The experience of the Los Angeles libraries is being repeated throughout the nation. A recent study by MCI LibraryLINK, an MCI initiative to connect libraries to the Internet, showed that the use of a public library for Internet access has grown more than 500 percent since 1996. It showed that 16 percent of respondents accessed the Internet from someplace other than home, work or school, and that nearly half of that group logged on from the library. Those numbers translate into 5.6 million people who had accessed the Internet from a public library in the six months before the survey. Other results show that 46.8 million people accessed the Internet from home, 38.3 million from work, 22.9 million from school and 12.5 million from somewhere else -- public library access accounting for nearly 45 percent of people who logged on from "somewhere else." Numbers like these come as no surprise to library workers -- people who for years have been enduring the words of doomsayers who said computerization would eliminate the need for libraries. The doomsayers were wrong. The crush of information has made librarians more important than ever. "I've worked in public libraries for 30 years, and I see what's happening now as the best time ever for libraries," said Susan Kent, who is now Los Angeles's city librarian. She is well aware that libraries are moving closer to the public spotlight as one way to close the gap between those who have computers and those who do not. Kent said the Los Angeles library system, the third largest in the nation, is ready for that spotlight. >From the turning-point meeting about the card catalog in 1992 to the recent opening of the 38th "virtual library" computer center in Chinatown, the Los Angeles Public Library has propelled its popularity through the computer revolution. It's a story of disaster, hard work and a Hollywood ending. In a very real sense, the wiring of the library rose from the ashes of the arson fires that destroyed a wing of the central library. The first fire, in April 1992, destroyed 375,000 books and damaged 700,000 more. The lost collection was valued at $14.2 million. In September of that year, another arson fire destroyed 25,000 more books. After the first fire, Tom Bradley, who was mayor of Los Angeles at the time, made a phone call to Lodwrick M. Cook, the chief executive officer of Arco, stationed in the Arco Towers across Flower Street from the burned-out library. The mayor asked for help. He got it. Soon corporations and foundations were scrambling to assist. Born from the disaster was the Los Angeles Library Foundation, which has raised $16 million since incorporating in 1992. The foundation, bolstered with steady support from dozens of entities including the Getty Foundation, the Gluck Foundation, the Goldwyn Foundation, Microsoft and Wells Fargo, has supported the sophisticated computerization of the library system. The city budget for libraries has increased steadily in the last decade as well: in 1990, the library budget was $38 million and this year, it has reached $45 million. The city has paid for virtual libraries in 10 branches since 1996. Now, at computer terminals at the library, people have Internet access. They have the card catalog. They have word processing programs and printers. They have access to 1,000 periodicals. They can call up information from more than 500 high-priced commercial databases, information stored on CDs such as the full text of newspapers, full-text reports on corporations by financial analysts, encyclopedias and detailed health data. Access to the CDs is smooth and seamless from library terminals with a response time of two or three seconds -- a technological feat that the librarians were told, a few years back, couldn't be done. "There's more demand than supply," said Joan Bartel, director of information technologies and collections. "We could probably double the numbers [of computers] and still not have enough." The digital thinking has extended to the library system's Web site. >From their homes, people can search for books, place them on hold and even specify where they want to pick them up. Soon, Bartel said, the system will allow people who reserve books online to receive an automatic phone call when the book is available. The Web site is designed to reach people who haven't had occasion to visit libraries -- another case of computers bringing people in. Meanwhile, the computers in the libraries continue to drive up the traffic. Sylvia Galan, librarian of the city's Echo Park branch, reported that for the first time in her career, she's so busy she occasionally loses phone calls that have been placed on hold. Her branch, on a Wednesday afternoon, was filled with a demographic librarians have rarely seen: teen-age boys, lining up at the computer terminals. They leave the library with books, too. Located a mile west of downtown, Echo Park is a point of entry for immigrants, most of whom come from Mexico and El Salvador. The library offers Internet access and special CDs geared to help people on the waiting list for amnesty programs improve their English. The most popular books at the branch have been children's picture books in Spanish. In addition to the crowd of male teen-agers who haunt the libraries these days, Rosa Rojas, who calls herself "a humble Colombian old lady," logs on at Echo Park every day to read the news from Bogota and to see the "beautiful pictures" of the Vatican. Thirteen-year-old Yanell Nava searches Yahoo for information about Michelangelo to study for finals. She has no computer at home and said the students never use the computers at school. Galan, the librarian, watched the crowd with delight. "Virtualizing the library for a community like this is so profound," she said. "We are it. For people to be dying to get into the library -- that's our dream come true. I never dreamed we would have the gang kids in here. But we do." And they behave. In a community where city council members hold forums to address violence, Galan is watching even the gang members' interest in learning piqued by the availability of computers. It builds pride, she said. More and more, Peter Persic, director of public information for the library, is hearing people in the city talk about the potential of computers for "moral salvation." Every time a new branch is wired, he sees a frenzy of excitement and gratitude in the community in which the branch is located. At the recent opening of the virtual library in Chinatown, children came out by the dozens, and they had a question for every man who showed up in a suit: "Are you Mr. Zee? Are you Mr. Zee?" "Mr. Zee" is Tien P. Zee, chairman and president of the Intex Corp. and benefactor of the virtual library in Chinatown. When he appeared, the children kept shouting "Thank you!" They wanted his autograph. Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * * * * * * . 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