SCN: SCN site and logo redesign

[Kenneth Applegate]

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Doug Schuler wrote:
> 
> Not to make a mountain out of a logo...
> 
> Patrick got back to me and clarified that any changes to the logo
> are likely to be cosmetic not major changes.  I (even) think 
> that *tweaking* it is fine.  But high-tech frippery - no thanks!
> 
> He also suggests that *content* is on the way...

And badly needed. I basically agree with Doug, and at risk of being too
"retro" might go even further. In many ways, I think that earlier
incarnations of the SCN web pages were more functional than the current
design. For instance, [personal gripe], it used to be possible to get to
the Science/Technical area about one level down and find our Seattle
Astronomical Society link. Now, it is buried another level or two down, in
with a lot of clutter (or resource links, if you prefer). This is not
necessarily progress!

Ken Applegate

> 
> -- Doug
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> On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Lorraine Pozzi wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Doug Schuler wrote:
> > 
> > > Basically I have two comments --
> > > 
> > > The first is that I think the current logo is fine.  Perhaps clean it up a
> > > bit, fine-tune, etc. SCN currently has a logo that is distinctive and has
> > > been identified with our efforts over the years.  It has been used in
> > > presentations to large audiences both in the states and elsewhere and has
> > > been shown in print in many venues....
> > 
> > Mostly thanks to Doug.  I didn't like the logo and complained about it
> > a lot, but I think Doug's point is valid.  It's been seen on t-shirts,
> > books, pamphlets, etc.  It has identified SCN for many years and in
> > many circumstances, both locally and internationally.  It is 
> > definitely not slick nor corporate-looking.  Which would be a criticism
> > in some circles - I think it's a mistake to deny SCN's grass roots.
> > 
> > > 
> > > The second is that this redesign is NOT what we need at the moment.  If
> > > anybody has taken a look at our web page this YEAR they'll know what I'm
> > > talking about.... 
> > 
> > Again, I agree.  It's a lot of work to provide content that is of interest
> > to the community.  I used to find surprising stuff - it was a resource
> > for my Internet class at Miller Community Center and they appreciated
> > knowing about SCN and having a kind of gateway to community news.
> > Now there's no point in even mentioning SCN - they all want Hotmail
> > or Yahoo e-mail accounts.  There's nothing to entice them into 
> > exploring what's new on SCN... why go there?
> > 
> > I think SCN could still provide valuable services to the community.
> > If not - the logo redesign is irrelevant.  It's history.
> > 
> > -- Lorraine
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- Doug
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, patrick wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > This message was originally posted to the webmasters and webeditors email
> > > > lists. JJ brought it to my attention that I should post the message about the
> > > > site and logo redesign to this list. I'm new to the list as of 5 minutes ago.
> > > > 
> > > > SCN is planning on updating the site to make it look more professional. 
> > > > 
> > > > This is the goal for the site redesign communicated to me by Ti Locke:
> > > > 
> > > > The goal is have the board vote on two or three possibilities for both a logo
> > > > and a site redesign and then ask SCN users to comment. Meeting is 9/13, with
> > > > comment period of say, two weeks...with new logo and site design going up first
> > > > week in October. That would put Ti right on the timeline for both
> > > > grantwriting...and having web mail up and running. 
> > > > 
> > > > Patrick
> > > > SCN Web Team Coordinator/Webmaster
> > > > 
> > > > P.S. Did I leave anyone out of the loop?
> > > > 
> > > > P.P.S. If you have logo ideas, sketches, complaints, accolades, please email
> > > > them to this email address and I will collate them and let the board see them.
> > > > Everyone's input is important. We need to hear how you feel about what the logo
> > > > should express, what colors we may want to use for the site, type of layout. So
> > > > give us your ideas.
> > > > 
> > > > Don't worry about flaming me. It's been a cooler than normal summer and I wear
> > > > virtual asbestos.
> > > > 
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