SCN: logo ideas
patrick fisher
clariun at yahoo.com
Thu Mar 7 12:32:39 PST 2002
Emailer1, how about offering some specific examples of what needs to be fixed? I
don't recall Terry providing any specifics and I would have to guess and
misinterpret what is on her mind.
Doug did bring up an important issue and that is FTP for "all". Unfortunately, this
can't be done at the moment as resources are scarce (anywhere, anytime), and it is
not possible to fix FTP.
I'm generalizing here, but it could involve a lot of work. I strongly advocate
havign FTP for users, either on SCN's servers, or virtually on servers space donated
by local ISPs. That would be pretty neat: They have secure FTP and that would make
it easier for people to put up sites on SCN. I'm all for it.
And when it happens, I will be very thrilled. I think it will be great. Especially,
since Yahoo is dumping free FTP to users as they attempt to milk people's wallets
for money.
With that said, indirect and unspecific opinions do not outline the issues with SCN.
Please make me a list of what and why and what could be done about it and we will
get to work on it.
Thanks much,
Patrick
--- emailer1 <emailer1 at netzero.net> wrote:
> This comment by T. Trimingham is right on target. She is a long-time
> member/participant and her insight is excellent.
>
> The highest priority is to bring the SCNA technology into the 21st Century.
>
> Presumably, tweaking the the cosmeticas and the Web page will not use up
> the efforts of those who are dealing with the technology, but Terry is
> correct in her implication that the new wording, as exciting as it is, gives
> a false impression that we are operating in the 21st Century and that we
> have a lot to give and that we are actively engaged in current technology
> operations. SCN COULD, and hopefully will, provide exciting technology for
> community service, but we have fallen behind.
>
> Very good comments, Terry.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Terry Trimingham <ttrim at scn.org>
> To: Doug Schuler <douglas at scn.org>
> Cc: patrick fisher <clariun at yahoo.com>; Joe Mabel <jmabel at speakeasy.org>;
> <scn at scn.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: SCN: logo ideas
>
>
> >
> >
> > I agree with Doug on this one.
> >
> > SCN was created to allow all people access to technology. "Democratic
> > technology for all." It is still true, we still allow the have-nots access
> > to the internet.
> >
> > On the other hand, we are archaic, klunky, and hard to use compared to
> > most technology available today. "Powering our communities with
> > technology" implies that we have something slick to offer, and we don't. I
> > think it is VERY misleading to use this phrase as our slogan.
> >
> > And, I agree with Joe. There are so many other things wrong with SCN than
> > the logo and the slogan, it would be better to focus on those things,
> > rather than try to "fix" something that hasn't yet broken.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Doug Schuler wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I don't like the logo change idea and I don't like the
> > > slogan change idea.
> > >
> > > "Democratic Technology for all" is more inclusive and broad.
> > >
> > > "Powering our communities with technology" is technocratic.
> > >
> > > I would think that we'd rather put the emphasis on DEMOCRACY
> > > not on TECHNOLOGY.
> > >
> > > Can somebody remind me why this is happening?
> > >
> > > -- Doug
> > >
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > * SHAPING THE NETWORK SOCIETY *
> > > * Patterns for Participation, Action, and Change *
> > > * http://www.cpsr.org/conferences/diac02 *
> > > * Tomorrow's information and communication infrastructure *
> > > * is being shaped today. *
> > > * But by whom and to what ends? *
> > > * Questions: diac02-info at cpsr.org *
> > > ******************************************************************
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, patrick fisher wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the comments. The logo issue is out of my hands, as far as
> I know.
> > > >
> > > > There will be a different slogan. I think it is: Powering Our
> Communities with
> > > > Technology.
> > > >
> > > > It would be nice, as you say, to have different variations of the
> logos for
> > > > different uses.
> > > >
> > > > I will put the PDF up on a web page. I will have to take a screen
> sshot and past it
> > > > as an image, though.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Joe Mabel <jmabel at speakeasy.org> wrote:
> > > > > Any logo with relatively small letters in the design (e.g. the
> "democratic
> > > > > technology for all" writtenrat the bottom) is liable to scale down
> badly.
> > > > > Before adopting it, we should play with how it scales down and
> consider whether
> > > > > it will be acceptable at the smallsst size we intend to use.
> > > > >
> > > > > One standard solution to this is to adopt several variations of a
> logo 3-5
> > > > > different sizes, possibly a color and a B&W version at each size.
> Major graphic
> > > > > elements should stay the same, but details may vary: for example,
> text might not
> > > > > be exactly proportional at the different sizes, to improve
> readability.
> > > > >
> > > > > In any event, rather than sending candidate logos out by PDF through
> email,
> > > > > can't we please post them on SCN itself somewhere & have one central
> place
> > > > > people can look at the possibiities?
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, I do sense a bit af rearranging deck chairs on the
> Titanic here:
> > > > > Except for people who have no other SCN activities they can
> contribute to, this
> > > > > seems like a pretty low-return use of volunteer time. I would not
> put a new
> > > > > logo among SCN's 50 greatest needs at the moment.
> > > > >
> > > > > --------------------
> > > > > Joe Mabel
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, patrick fisher wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Here are some logo ideas in PDF format.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please make specific, exact comments on what you like or do not
> like
> > > > > > about the logos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everyone's comments will be taken into consideration.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If PDF does not work for you, please let me know and I will work
> > > > > > something out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > >
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