SCN: Prarienet.org - community network - check it out

[Jim Loring]

Doug raises an interesting point.

Certainly the idea of partnering with some department of a university or
similar organization would be interesting, and could perhaps be beneficial
for SCN.

As someone on this thread has pointed out, this would require carefully
study. My question would be what SCN could offer a formal educational
institution.

Perhaps of more importance, and what I hope would be considered - is what
such an alliance could do *for* us as well as *to* us?

Tally-Ho!

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-scn at scn.org [mailto:owner-scn at scn.org]On Behalf Of Doug
Schuler
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:17 PM
To: J. Johnson
Cc: emailer1; scn at scn.org
Subject: Re: SCN: Prarienet.org - community network - check it out



JJ et al,

I've always been in favor of at least looking into various types
of "strategic alliances" and one with, say, a UW department
is one of the ones that I'd be most interested in looking into.
A model like the one JJ mentioned would obviously be undesirable
but there may be partnership models that really worked to
both party's advantage.  After all, SCN and SPL have a
fairly reasonable partnering arrangement that seems to work
to both of advantage.

As with other ideas that would have a wide impact this would
have to be studied.  I think that members would like to see
pros and cons before any sort of decision would be made.  If
people were interested in this they'd need to set up some of
study group to do so (IMO).

-- doug

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On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, J. Johnson wrote:

> Au contraire.  I think that the "university structure" of "business" model
> could work quite well for SCN.  We "merely" find enough well placed people
> at the U. who have influence (I presume at least professors here) and
> access to resources (such as facilities, bandwidth, paid staff, etc.), and
> have them take over.  Oh, and re-write the articles of incorporation.
>
> Of course, then it wouldn't be SCN any more.
>
> === JJ =============================================================
>
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, emailer1 wrote:
>
> >  Actually, this is an assumption (that the university structure means
that
> > Prairienet's methods won't work for SCNA).  It sounds to me like the
methods
> > of this group should be thoroughly investigated, to the point of -- when
> > enough has been learned -- having Patrick and others from the Ops
Committee
> > fly out and spend a few days talking to these folks.  In one way or
another,
> > they have accomplished what SCNA has not been able to do:  (1) PPP
> > capability;  (2) much better level of financial support; and (3) paid
staff.
> > It is possible that very little of their methods willl apply to SCNA,
but it
> > is important to do an in-depth examination of them IN CASE they have
much to
> > show us.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: J. Johnson <jj at scn.org>
> > To: <scn at scn.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 11:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: SCN: Prarienet.org - community network - check it out
> >
> >
> > > So looking over several examples of nominally successful
not-for-profit
> > > ISP and similar entities shows a trend:  their "business" model is to
> > > associate with some large school where there is a lot of money, excess
> > > bandwidth, facilities, and cheap graduate students, and no particular
> > > concern about meeting quarterly profit targets.
> > >
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