SCN: RE: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably? - from Ken Gillgren

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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:44:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Kenneth" <kgillgren at igc.org>
To: "'Randy Groves'" <randomgrace at gmail.com>,
 	"'Steve Guest'" <steve at steve-guest.com>
Cc: <ljbeedle at scn.org>, <douglas at publicsphereproject.org>,
 	<alboss at sisypheans.org>, <al.boss at metrokc.gov>, <jj at scn.org>,
 	<scn at scn.org>, <douglas at cpsr.org>, <steve at advocate.net>,
 	<jmabel at speakeasy.org>, <jimh at scn.org>, <bb615 at scn.org>,
 	<anamioka at gmail.com>, "'Joel Ware, IV'" <jw4 at scn.org>,
 	"'Joel Ware, IV'" <joelware at yahoo.com>,
 	"'Ti Locke-Computer Giveaway'" <tgreyraven at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:54:59 -0700

Out of curiousity, how many volunteer/technical staff are still supporting
SCN? I know the Wedgwood Community Council was hosted on SCN until the
council's Web admin was unable to get a response from SCN support (I don't
remember what the question or issue was anymore, this was probably 2-3 years
ago), and so they weighed anchor and moved to a commercially hosted service.

Are people still signing up for email addresses and/or mailing lists? Can
people still sign up for email addresses and/or mailing lists?

I'm guessing there could still be a niche for SCN, although the type of
support might be different, and therefore the volunteer pool may or may not
be available.

Just wondering.

Ken Gillgren
(206) 755-9578
  <mailto:ken at gillgrencommunication.com> ken at gillgrencommunication.com
Skype: ken.gillgren



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From: Randy Groves [mailto:randomgrace at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:32 PM
To: Steve Guest
Cc: ljbeedle at scn.org; douglas at publicsphereproject.org;
alboss at sisypheans.org; al.boss at metrokc.gov; kgillgren at igc.org; jj at scn.org;
scn at scn.org; douglas at cpsr.org; steve at advocate.net; jmabel at speakeasy.org;
jimh at scn.org; bb615 at scn.org; anamioka at gmail.com; Joel Ware, IV; Joel Ware,
IV; Ti Locke-Computer Giveaway
Subject: Re: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?


I was a bit curious that Joel, Alan, and Ti were not included in the e-mail,
but forwarded it to them as soon as I saw it.

I think that it is a little early to start dancing on SCN's grave.

-randy


On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Steve Guest <steve at steve-guest.com> wrote:


Hi Lois
Having officially resigned from the SCNA board about 3 years ago I cannot
tell you the current situation.  I do not see Joel or Ti listed in this
email and they were still board members when I resigned.

As for the disposal of the SCNA assets and funds the articles of
incorporation, the constitution and the by-laws where appropriate were all
very clear - these must all go to CPSR.  Having tried to change a small
aspect of these by-laws to give the board the ability to perform a required
and expected management function - and failing - I would expect these asset
and fund dispersal requirements have not changed.  Therefore they cannot
simply be transferred to another non-profit.

The ACLU attorney who setup the rules did a great job.  I had discussions
with four attorneys on ways to change these documents, including the one who
did the original work.  There are copies of the documents on the web site
should you need them.  I would have your own legal counsel look at these.

Steve

Dr. Steve Guest
206-364-5636

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Subject: SCN: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?


I would hate to see SCN die totally.  I am not sure how many active users
we still have but I do have 4 non profits with directories on SCN that I
keep up.  I also still try to keep up the Spirituality menu.

What would it mean to our users if your group took over Doug?

What does the SCN Constitution and By-laws say about the disposition of
assets if we were to dissolve SCN?

Having gone though this with a church I do know that not much is required
to reactive except for filing an up to date Constitution and By-laws and
the fee.  At least that was all we had to do for the church.

Is there anyone left who can call a meeting of the members to approve any
actions?

Lois

Original Message:
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From: Douglas Schuler douglas at publicsphereproject.org
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:07:36 -0700
To: randomgrace at gmail.com, alboss at sisypheans.org, al.boss at metrokc.gov,
kgillgren at igc.org, jj at scn.org, scn at scn.org, douglas at cpsr.org,
steve at advocate.net, jmabel at speakeasy.org, jimh at scn.org, ljbeedle at scn.org,
bb615 at scn.org, anamioka at gmail.com
Subject: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?



After 10 years or so of inaction it looks like the SCN board finally
ceased re-upping with the secretary of state.

I'm guessing that it would still be possible to re-initiate the
organization if  anybody wanted to.  I'd be willing for the Public
Sphere Project (a non-profit,  501.c.3 organization) to  absorb the
assets (probably just the machine) to continue the operation of the
machine.  I  think that my students could  take  some  degree of
custodianship over  the machine as part of their civic  intelligence
work.

-- Doug
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