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Hey, Randy, did any on capture (or does anyone recall) any of the
future visions conversation. I would be very interested in hearing
what people were sharing on that issue.<br>
<br>
And did anyone collect email addresses of the folks who attended.
I'm glad this list is helping facilitate some conversation, but I'm
not so confident that everyone who attended is on this list.<br>
<br>
Thanks all,<br>
<br>
Ken Gillgren<br>
<br>
On 6/12/2012 2:18 PM, Randy Groves wrote:
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cite="mid:CAPqX1OpfUWUGyu0vDFuQDeWUzXBoxvNLct05HJR3_6+34cirSQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">JJ - I am a bit non-plussed that you sat in the back
of the room, didn't want to identify yourself, did not make any
suggestions (good or bad), then left. (And I know I wasn't able
to chat on the phone recently - it just wasn't a good time ...)<br>
<br>
Why does everyone feel the need to hash over the past? Why can't
we just 'get over it', and attempt to identify and assemble the
good parts of what is left into something that functions?<br>
<br>
Everyone casts stones at the 'non-functional board', but no-one
ever takes a look at where THEY'VE been over the last 10 years.
Remember the old adage that when you point one finger at someone,
there are 4 pointing back at you.<br>
<br>
Yes - there have been problems. Let's fix them looking toward the
future, rather than looking toward the past.<br>
<br>
And I dispute the contention that no suggestions vis a vis
SCN/SCNA were requested. You may have left by then, but I
remember (and yes this is a defect - we didn't have an official
secretary) quite a bit of discussion about visions of the future
in the latter part of the meeting.<br>
<br>
-randy<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM, J.
Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jj@scn.org" target="_blank">jj@scn.org</a>></span>
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Alan Miller has said that some of the comments I reported from
the meeting<br>
were taken out of context. Which I find curious. I am sure
that everyone<br>
on this list understands the broader context of a decade and
more of a<br>
dysfunctional organization, and the history thereof, and the
persons<br>
involved. That there is not more "context" from the meeting
itself --<br>
well, did anyone else think to take notes? If anyone feels I
have<br>
misreported anything please tell us so that the record (such
as it is) can<br>
be corrected. Because lacking a prepared agenda and recorded
notes, this<br>
meeting is now just a bunch of divergent, fading memories.<br>
<br>
Several of us were some what surprised to hear the Board had
enough<br>
gumption to call a meeting, let alone show enough intitiative
to call for<br>
some suggestions. But it seems like they didn't. It appears
that the<br>
prime mover here is Randy ("technical consultant to the
Board"), who<br>
figured out how some nifty applications (i.e., WikiMedia and a
blog<br>
package) could be plugged into SCN. So the Board wasn't
asking for<br>
suggestions regarding SCN/SCNA at all. They were reacting to
being<br>
completely df'ed by a particular possibility. And they have
absolutely no<br>
more conception of how to manage this then they have ever had.<br>
<br>
And that is the crux of the problem. The SCNA Board is quite
inable to<br>
manage the organization in their charge. They can't even
manage<br>
themselves, to the extent of holding the legally required
meetings. (But<br>
they do have "errors and omissions" insurance, lest anyone
sues them.)<br>
Being unable to manage some simple services, they have this
idea that<br>
adding complex services will automatically fix everything.
Which raises<br>
the edifice higher, but fixes nothing.<br>
<br>
I would be more impressed if they would honestly try to fix a
few<br>
problems, rather than stack them higher.<br>
<br>
=== JJohnson
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