<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Speaking of that it jogged my memory that Jean Buskin<div>made the very relevant point that there are still very </div><div>important issues around privacy and other computer</div><div>related concerns. These haven't gone away!! And this</div><div>is embodied in the principles we adopted early on.</div><div><br></div><div>One suggestion that I made was that I'd like to ask</div><div>people where did all the community networks go. My </div><div>hypothesis is that community <i>networking</i> is still going </div><div>on, while "traditional" community networks are not as </div><div>popular as they once were. It would be interesting to </div><div>see what happened to these, circa 1995, community </div><div>networks: <a href="http://www.scn.org/commnet/appC.htm">http://www.scn.org/commnet/appC.htm</a></div><div><div><div><br></div><div>-- Doug</div><div><br></div></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:28 AM, <a href="mailto:ljbeedle@scn.org">ljbeedle@scn.org</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I realize that there may not have been official minutes<br>(though I would think there would be) but meeting notes of<br>some sort should be posted on the website for all SCN folks<br>to see. Another way of keeping them informed and a<br>reminder that SCN is still alive.<br><br>Lois<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thanks, Randy.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Yes, that is my recommendation. I thought it was a good<br></blockquote>idea to invite<br><blockquote type="cite">everybody and it seems like the right thing to do now to<br></blockquote>let them know<br><blockquote type="cite">what happened at the meeting. (I don't mind the fact that<br></blockquote>it takes the<br><blockquote type="cite">machine a day or more -- I hope it doesn't require that<br></blockquote>kind of<br><blockquote type="cite">attention from you or any other human!) <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">And while I don't think we should send notes to the whole<br></blockquote>list all the<br><blockquote type="cite">time I strongly believe that the SCN community should<br></blockquote>receive updates<br><blockquote type="cite">several times a year. To my mind this would be necessary<br></blockquote>part of any<br><blockquote type="cite">rebuilding effort. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I'd be happy to draft, review, or contribute to the note.<br></blockquote> Let me know! <br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-- Doug<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Randy Groves wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So you're saying send out a report to all the users of<br></blockquote></blockquote>SCN? That's<br><blockquote type="cite">who was invited. Not saying that we should or shouldn't,<br></blockquote>but just be<br><blockquote type="cite">aware that sending to all the users of SCN takes a day or<br></blockquote>more - if we<br><blockquote type="cite">do it in a way that doesn't bring the system to its knees.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-randy<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Doug Schuler<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:douglas@publicsphereproject.org">douglas@publicsphereproject.org</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think that Joe's right. Let's use the existing list.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What I'd like to see is a brief report on the meeting<br></blockquote></blockquote>sent to<br><blockquote type="cite">everybody who <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">was invited to the meeting in the first place. <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">That way the invitees would get some information about<br></blockquote></blockquote>the project.<br><blockquote type="cite">They'd<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">get a little closure on the fact that we actually had a<br></blockquote></blockquote>meeting and<br><blockquote type="cite">that there <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">is a feeling that we can move forward.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think the note should also extend an invitation to<br></blockquote></blockquote>everybody to join<br><blockquote type="cite">the <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">scn list so they could hear about what ideas we have<br></blockquote></blockquote>and how they<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">could participate more if they choose to.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It also should contain information on how one becomes<br></blockquote></blockquote>an SCN member.<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thanks!<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 21, 2012, at 8:54 AM, jmabel wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Yes, it sounds reasonable. And, as I've said already,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>it seems to me<br><blockquote type="cite">to make<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">more sense to use the exisiting list, because it's<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>hard for me to<br><blockquote type="cite">imagine that<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">anyone interested in the future/survival of SCN/SCNA<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>would not want<br><blockquote type="cite">to at least<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">observe this discussion, and equally hard to imagine<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>why anyone *not*<br><blockquote type="cite">interested<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">in that would be on <a href="mailto:scn@scn.org">scn@scn.org</a>.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--------------------<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Joe Mabel<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Randy Groves wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">You should have all received an invitation to join a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>new list called<br><blockquote type="cite">scn2.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The intent of creating a new list was to give all of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>those on this<br><blockquote type="cite">list a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">chance to opt in to a new discussion. And it was<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>also a vehicle to<br><blockquote type="cite">include<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">folks who aren't presently on the scn list (for<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>whatever reason). <br><blockquote type="cite">Also -<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the scn2 list is being run on Mailman, which is more<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>dependable, on<br><blockquote type="cite">a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">different machine than, and has better mail list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>management software<br><blockquote type="cite">than<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the scn list on Majordomo.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But as Joe Mabel noted - why not just use the scn list?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Fair enough - the other options would have been to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>canvas this list<br><blockquote type="cite">and get<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a vote, or just start using this list, and too bad<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>for the folks who<br><blockquote type="cite">don't<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">want to participate. I don't like the second option,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>but the first<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">certainly has merit.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So - who on this list thinks that whatever<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>discussions and planning<br><blockquote type="cite">we have<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">about the future of SCN/SCNA should be held on this<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>list? Please<br><blockquote type="cite">let me<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">know by next Thursday (the28th). If we have a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>majority that think<br><blockquote type="cite">this is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the venue, I'll invite those that requested to be on<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>a new list to<br><blockquote type="cite">the scn<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">list.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Does this sound like a reasonable course of action?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-randy<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">* * * * * * * * From the Listowner * * * * * * * *<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To unsubscribe send a message to: <a href="mailto:majordomo@scn.org">majordomo@scn.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In the body of the message, type: unsubscribe scn<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Douglas Schuler<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:douglas@publicsphereproject.org">douglas@publicsphereproject.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>--------------------------------------------------------------------------><br>----<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What Kind of an Activist Are YOU? 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