i like that doug!<br><br>it brings to mind - varying levels of commitment/membership...<br><br>anyone with an email or website - has an automatic stake - allow them to opt in on updates - several times a year (everyone has email overload!)<br>
<br>just by having some level of information - without pressure - never know when someone might find a place to lend a hand.<br><br>example:<br>for a number of years i was considered an active volunteer at XXX. mostly hung out - and just talked to visitors. just by being there i learned, and occasionally i found other ways i could help out. as that situation ended, i could always go back to just hanging out and talking to visitors.<br>
<br>then - change in the board and management - need to focus on $$$<br><br>just hanging out and talking with visitors was suddenly not good enough . . . i left! we both lost out!<br><br><br>re: scn - by having the chance to just know what's happening - and maybe the opportunity for feedback and run ideas - could enlist a greater sense of purpose for scn for more people ???<br>
<br>just thinking outloud...<br><br>v<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Randy Groves <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:randomgrace@gmail.com" target="_blank">randomgrace@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">There's another meeting tentatively scheduled for the 14th (I believe Alan has made the reservation - and changed the main SCN page), so I'm going to be sending out another announcement probably tomorrow. Both Alan and Joel made notes - possibly others did as well - but at least the collected notes should also be part of that announcement.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>-randy</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Doug Schuler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:douglas@publicsphereproject.org" target="_blank">douglas@publicsphereproject.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div>Thanks, Randy.<div><br></div><div>Yes, that is my recommendation. I thought it was a good idea to invite everybody and it seems like the right thing to do now to let them know what happened at the meeting. (I don't mind the fact that it takes the machine a day or more -- I hope it doesn't require that kind of attention from you or any other human!) </div>
<div><br></div><div>And while I don't think we should send notes to the whole list all the time I strongly believe that the SCN community should receive updates several times a year. To my mind this would be necessary part of any rebuilding effort. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I'd be happy to draft, review, or contribute to the note. Let me know! </div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-- Doug</div></font></span><div><div><div><br>
</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Randy Groves wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">So you're saying send out a report to all the users of SCN? That's who was invited. Not saying that we should or shouldn't, but just be aware that sending to all the users of SCN takes a day or more - if we do it in a way that doesn't bring the system to its knees.<br>
<br>-randy<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Doug Schuler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:douglas@publicsphereproject.org" target="_blank">douglas@publicsphereproject.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div>I think that Joe's right. Let's use the existing list.<div><br>
</div><div>What I'd like to see is a brief report on the meeting sent to everybody who </div><div>was invited to the meeting in the first place. </div><div><br></div><div>That way the invitees would get some information about the project. They'd</div>
<div>get a little closure on the fact that we actually had a meeting and that there </div><div>is a feeling that we can move forward.</div><div><br></div><div>I think the note should also extend an invitation to everybody to join the </div>
<div>scn list so they could hear about what ideas we have and how they</div><div>could participate more if they choose to.</div><div><br></div><div>It also should contain information on how one becomes an SCN member.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br><div><div><div><div>On Jun 21, 2012, at 8:54 AM, jmabel wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div>Yes, it sounds reasonable. And, as I've said already, it seems to me to make<br>
more sense to use the exisiting list, because it's hard for me to imagine that<br>anyone interested in the future/survival of SCN/SCNA would not want to at least<br>observe this discussion, and equally hard to imagine why anyone *not* interested<br>
in that would be on <a href="mailto:scn@scn.org" target="_blank">scn@scn.org</a>.<br><br>--------------------<br>Joe Mabel<br><br>On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Randy Groves wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">You should have all received an invitation to join a new list called scn2.<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The intent of creating a new list was to give all of those on this list a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">chance to opt in to a new discussion. And it was also a vehicle to include<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">folks who aren't presently on the scn list (for whatever reason). Also -<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the scn2 list is being run on Mailman, which is more dependable, on a<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">different machine than, and has better mail list management software than<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the scn list on Majordomo.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But as Joe Mabel noted - why not just use the scn list?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Fair enough - the other options would have been to canvas this list and get<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a vote, or just start using this list, and too bad for the folks who don't<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">want to participate. I don't like the second option, but the first<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">certainly has merit.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">So - who on this list thinks that whatever discussions and planning we have<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">about the future of SCN/SCNA should be held on this list? Please let me<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">know by next Thursday (the28th). If we have a majority that think this is<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">the venue, I'll invite those that requested to be on a new list to the scn<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">list.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
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