Spam from/about connected user (Subject: aviation)
Scot Harkins on SCN.org
scoth at scn.org
Tue Feb 15 11:00:46 PST 2000
Well, there's three basic steps: file the case, get a judgement, collect the
money.
Filing the case costs money. Not a lot, but it does cost. We can ask for
recovery of court costs as part of the settlement, so the filing fee would
become part of the amount awarded.
Getting a judgement involves proving the case with respect to the law. A
prudent person would easily be able to find out that scn at scn.org is an email
address in Seattle, Washington. We could prove it and probably get a
judgement, especially if uncontested, which most of these probably would be.
The biggest trick is finding out who to sue. Can't sue if you don't know
who to sue.
Collecting the money may be a problem. We can use the services of
collection agencies. They would get their fees from the collection, _if_
they get any money. If the debtor is a corporation, and that corporation
goes away, it's just like trying to get money from a dead person.
We could pursue spammers, but we would have to know who they are and we'd
have to find a way to get the money from them, _if_ they have any money.
The best scenario is a business that decided to spam but cannot afford to
close the corporation. The next best scenario is a judgement against and
individual, allowing us to enter the judgement (until paid) on their credit
records, pretty much barring them from getting loans.
'tain't easy. We'd have to pick our fights carefully.
Scot
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Scot Harkins (KA5KDU) | Systems Administrator, Thurman Ind, Bothell, WA
North Bend, WA | Native Texan firmly planted in Western Washington
scoth at bigfoot.com | SCA: Ld. Scot MacFin, Barony of Madrone, An Tir
scoth at scn.org/msn.com | URL <http://www.bigfoot.com/~scoth>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Schuler" <douglas at scn.org>
To: <scoth at scn.org>
Cc: <scn at scn.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Spam from/about connected user (Subject: aviation)
>
> I'm way out of my league on this although I hate spam as much
> as the next guy.
>
> I know that the state of Washington has a law against spamming
> and there is actually a fine. Can we help in some way to make
> sure that these spammers are actually *fined*? It would seem
> like a great public service.
>
> -- Doug
>
> > From: "Scot Harkins on SCN.org" <scoth at scn.org>
> > To: <postmaster at fabula.it>, <abuse at fabula.it>, <abuse at bellsouth.net>,
> > <abuse at post.com>, <abuse at fortunecity.com>
> > Cc: <scn at scn.org>
> > Subject: Spam from/about connected user (Subject: aviation)
> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:19:54 -0800
> >
> > Howdy,
> >
> >
> > Fabula.it: please close the relay hole in your mail server on
> > trock.fabula.it. This spammer stole your network and system resources.
> > Others will follow to do the same since word of open relays travels
fast.
> > Save your systems from this abuse and the world from this crass form of
> > advertising. Close the hole.
> >
> > BellSouth.net: I have verified that 209.214.90.174 maps to
> > host-209-214-90-174.bct.bellsouth.net. Please follow up per your
AUG/TOS.
> >
> > Post.com/iName: I do not know if cdromav is a legitimate address on your
> > system. If so, then please pursue per your AUG/TOS.
> >
> > FortuneCity.com: Since the link comes up 404 I assume you have already
shut
> > down the site. Thank you!
> >
> > Note to all: The list address scn at scn.org is a reserved email list for
the
> > use of members of the Seattle Community Network. It is not a published
> > address outside of that scope. Advertising to the list prohibited. Any
> > claims that the address was obtained as an opt-in option are false.
> >
> >
> > ---begin---
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> > for <scn at scn.org>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 01:15:41 -0800 (PST)
> > From: cdromav at post.com
> > Received: from 209.214.90.174 (host-209-214-90-174.bct.bellsouth.net
> > [209.214.90.174])
> > by trock.fabula.it (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA24740
> > for <scn at scn.org
> > >; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:01:01 +0100
> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:01:01 +0100
> > Message-Id: <200002150901.KAA24740 at trock.fabula.it>
> > To: scn at scn.org
> > Subject: aviation
> > Sender: owner-scn at scn.org
> > Precedence: bulk
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> >
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> > Scot Harkins (KA5KDU) | Systems Administrator, Thurman Ind, Bothell, WA
> > North Bend, WA | Native Texan firmly planted in Western
Washington
> > scoth at bigfoot.com | SCA: Ld. Scot MacFin, Barony of Madrone, An Tir
> > scoth at scn.org/msn.com | URL <http://www.bigfoot.com/~scoth>
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