SCN: Put up or shut up.

[Rich Littleton]

I have frequently found JJ's communications to be heavy on venom and light
on logic.  His last message continues that tradition.  Communicating with
him becomes an endless excercise going nowhere, because there is no
connection with my messages and with his response.

If anyone else has questions (as opposed merely to a wish to vent), I'll
be pleased to answer them.

One point JJ inadvertantly got right was the contention that this suit
definitely does affect SCNA.  Re-read the message and notice that SCNA
money is about to be drained -- against bylaw rules -- from the
organization.  I encourage members to take that very seriously.

By the way, I didn't see Malcolm's posting of the pertinent bylaw
provisions.  Someone (not a party) should to show what is at stake.
Membership apathy is going to be very expensive.

Later,

Rich

______________________________________________________________________


On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, J. Johnson wrote:

> What "misconception", Rich?  
> 
> Were you not running for the Board?
> 
> Have you not sued about half of the Board members _in their capacity as
> Board members_?  Seeking significant monetary damages?  
> 
> Or is it misconceived that "running for the board implies that you have an
> interest in working within the organization for its benefit and to improve
> it and lobby to correct any flaws you think it has"?
> 
> No, Rich, the misconception seems to be entirely yours:  that in some 
> way (that you have YET TO EXPLAIN) it really doesn't concern SCN when
> you sue SCN members, in their SCN roles for doing SCN business.
> 
> Rich, it was six months ago that you said (at the annual meeting) you
> would inform us just what this matter is all about.  SIX MONTHS AGO!  You
> have not done so--you have not "put up" any information at all.  You
> charge me with "misconception"--but you are the one that is holding back
> the information.  You sue SCN members regarding how SCN business is
> conducted, then you claim the suit does not affect SCN?  You withhold
> information, then complain of "misconception"?  Ridiculous.
> 
> === JJ =================================================================
> 
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Rich Littleton wrote:
> 
> > 
> > This message shows the misconceptions I referred to.  Ken, know that this
> > is not a lawsuit against SCNA.
> > 
> > If you have some solutions to the situation, by all means lay them out on
> > the table.
> > 
> > Later,
> > 
> > Rich
> > 
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Kenneth Applegate wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, J. Johnson wrote:
> > > 
> > > It strikes me as bizarre that Rich is running for a position on the Board
> > > that he is suing.
> > > 
> > > Running for the board implies that you have an interest in working within
> > > the organization for its benefit and to improve it and lobby to correct
> > > any flaws you think it has.
> > > 
> > > Filing a lawsuit against the board, especially a monetary one, is taking a
> > > sledgehammer to the organization and potentially wrecking it.
> > > 
> > > So, the question I would have for Rich is - what do you want? An
> > > imperfect SCN that functions and meets some, if not all needs of its
> > > members and users, and has the potential for improvement and correcting
> > > problems, or no SCN at all? You can't have it both ways!
> > > 
> > > Ken Applegate
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > === JJ =================================================================
> > > > 
> > > > 
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