BD: Re: SCN: "Free-Nets" in Los Angeles Times

[patrick]

Yes, no need for flames. It can be safely assumed that regular ISP
service involves a PPP connection, since that is what most people
use. DSL is out of the question due to cost.

Usenet service is expensive. And there is the question of things
going wrong when you have more services: Murphy's Law.

Human capital is high, but something could be worked out if a company
started an ISP as a not-for-profit. You would have to run models and
leave out the expensive dotcom chairs for all employees.

All kinds of things go wrong with Usenet feeds and that eats up a lot
of human resources.

There are many dotcoms, so to speak, that were there first and are
still around. They run their businesses out of their houses or
garages and keep expenses to a minimum. Eskimo does it and has done
it for a long time. 

All I was advocating was possibilities and not for SCN. It has other
issues as I went into discussion about: Like having a competent
manager to oversee all projects and kept the flow going at full
optimization.

Patrick

--- Kenneth Applegate <starsrus at scn.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, J. Johnson wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, patrick wrote:
> > 
> > > I wasn't advocating that SCN provide standard PPP service. I
> said it
> > > would be "nice" if SCN had a low-cost service. 
> > 
> > Get your head out of your butt:  SCN is **free**.  ZERO cost!! 
> The only
> > way to make things cost less would be to _pay_ people for using
> SCN.  
> 
> JJ - the content of your commentys is valid. But - perhaps a little
> less
> fanning of the flame wars here? Remember? We are all supposedly
> friends
> here and trying to work for SCN improvement??!
> 
> > 
> > > ... That is what I meant:
> > > Affordable, "regular" dial-up service like Eskimo or Wolfnet. 
> > 
> > "Regular" dial-up service?  That is what we have!  But then, what
> you
> > probably meant is PPP service, because that is what IE requires. 
> 
> > 
> > (And your idea of making such service more affordable by limiting
> disk
> > space usage is absurd.  The cost is not in the disk drives, but
> in hiring
> > people to handle everything.) 
> > 
> > But you are doing better when you fault SCN's "orchestration". 
> However,
> > it is not for any lack in the conductor:  it's because the
> _players_ can't
> > agree on what music to play, or even when or where.  This is why
> every
> > orchestra in the world has a kind of dictator called a
> conductor--to get
> > everyone in time and reading from the same page.  Whereas in SCN
> we can't
> > even settle on what music to play. 
> 
> Something from Gotterdammerung, perhaps?
> 
> Ken Applegate
> 
> > 
> > === JJ
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