SCN: Update: SCN site redesign link

[Joe Mabel]

I just want to address a very minor point here (but, I think, an important 
misunderstanding: the meaning of "consensus". Consensus does not mean unanimity. 
It means a preveailing opinion from which there is no strong dissent. Like many 
words in the English language, its meaning is a bit fuzzy: certainly a unaimous 
opinion is a consensus, but a consensus is not necessarily a unanimous opinion.

I bring this up because it often leads to a misunderstanding of what it means 
for an organizion to function "by consensus". For example, the Peace Heathens (a 
group of which I am proud to be a member) function by consensus. T)is does not 
mean that we only act when we have true unanimity.  It means we need a solid 
supermajority and no strong, principled disagreement. Any individual active 
member may "throw a block", but we would never be able to function if someone 
threw a block every time they thought the course of action was imperfect.

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Joe Mabel

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Doug Schuler wrote:

> 
> Hi, Patrick and everybody else...
> 
> You won't be surprised (I guess) to learn that I don't like
> the new logos.   I vote for a cleaned up version of the
> logo we've always had.  I don't see any need for a new one and
> I'm not clear as to who authorized this in the first place.
> 
> I don't like to criticize this generous
> pro bono work but I suppose it's necessary.  The first one 
> -- computers -- is generic and I don't like the color
> scheme.  On my computer the computers and the label
> aren't centered (but that is minor).  The second one looks
> like a warmed-over version of the city of Seattle's logo.
> The third I like because there is some funk in it and
> it hearkens to what I thought was our logo.  I'd like to
> include the categories that we use instead of what
> was used in this version.  I wouldn't want to use this
> *instead* of our current one; but as a supplement.
> 
> I don't like the block letter version, simple or not.  WHY
> change to *that*???  
> 
> What's wrong with the original logo?  Yes, it's fuzzy, etc. so 
> let's clean it up.  Is that so difficult??
> 
> The statement on the studio30 web page is curious: "Native American
> leaning on a sand dune, holding a palm tree is the consensus."  
> Consensus??  Among whom?  (consensus means that *everybody* agreed so I
> was wondering a bit where this info came from)
> 
> And -- IO hate to be so critical but I find it hard to read the
> new "basic buttons."
> 
> I question why this was even undertaken at all when there are so many
> other crucial issues with SCN.
> 
> -- Doug
> 
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> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, patrick fisher wrote:
> 
> > Folks,
> > 
> > This past fall and winter, I worked with a web designer to come up
> > with a new look for SCN. I provided an idea for a style that was
> > simple and we used a couple of other sites as examples for what we
> > were looking for in a look for SCN. I'll reserve judgement on the
> > site which is located at:
> > 
> > http://www.studio30.com/scn/scn_faq.html
> > 
> > In that time, an SCN volunteer came up with a site design based on
> > the same parameters as those given to the web designer. This design
> > is right on the mark with what we were looking for. It is not
> > necessarily in its final form, but represents, as close as possible,
> > a direction we aimed for. This site is located at:
> > 
> > http://www.scn.org/~lee/scntesta.html
> > 
> > If you have comments, please direct them to webeditors at scn.org. We
> > will be discussing the site redesign at the general meeting on
> > Wednesday as well. I will have printouts available of both sites up
> > for consideration.
> > 
> > Also, logos have not be finalized in any way. Your comments on the
> > logo ideas are welcome. The logo on the second site were designed by
> > a graphics designer I found, enlisted, and worked with to come up
> > with logo ideas.
> > 
> > Thanks much,
> > Patrick
> > 
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