SCN: Update: SCN site redesign link

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Actually, Joe is partly correct.  However, from my experience with the
Quakers (Friends), strong opposition does amount to a veto, in a consensus
environment.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Mabel <jmabel at speakeasy.org>
To: Doug Schuler <douglas at scn.org>
Cc: patrick fisher <clariun at yahoo.com>; <scn at scn.org>; <design at eskimo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: SCN: Update: SCN site redesign link


> I just want to address a very minor point here (but, I think, an important
> misunderstanding: the meaning of "consensus". Consensus does not mean
unanimity.
> It means a preveailing opinion from which there is no strong dissent. Like
many
> words in the English language, its meaning is a bit fuzzy: certainly a
unaimous
> opinion is a consensus, but a consensus is not necessarily a unanimous
opinion.
>
> I bring this up because it often leads to a misunderstanding of what it
means
> for an organizion to function "by consensus". For example, the Peace
Heathens (a
> group of which I am proud to be a member) function by consensus. T)is does
not
> mean that we only act when we have true unanimity.  It means we need a
solid
> supermajority and no strong, principled disagreement. Any individual
active
> member may "throw a block", but we would never be able to function if
someone
> threw a block every time they thought the course of action was imperfect.
>
> --------------------
> Joe Mabel
>
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Doug Schuler wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi, Patrick and everybody else...
> >
> > You won't be surprised (I guess) to learn that I don't like
> > the new logos.   I vote for a cleaned up version of the
> > logo we've always had.  I don't see any need for a new one and
> > I'm not clear as to who authorized this in the first place.
> >
> > I don't like to criticize this generous
> > pro bono work but I suppose it's necessary.  The first one
> > -- computers -- is generic and I don't like the color
> > scheme.  On my computer the computers and the label
> > aren't centered (but that is minor).  The second one looks
> > like a warmed-over version of the city of Seattle's logo.
> > The third I like because there is some funk in it and
> > it hearkens to what I thought was our logo.  I'd like to
> > include the categories that we use instead of what
> > was used in this version.  I wouldn't want to use this
> > *instead* of our current one; but as a supplement.
> >
> > I don't like the block letter version, simple or not.  WHY
> > change to *that*???
> >
> > What's wrong with the original logo?  Yes, it's fuzzy, etc. so
> > let's clean it up.  Is that so difficult??
> >
> > The statement on the studio30 web page is curious: "Native American
> > leaning on a sand dune, holding a palm tree is the consensus."
> > Consensus??  Among whom?  (consensus means that *everybody* agreed so I
> > was wondering a bit where this info came from)
> >
> > And -- IO hate to be so critical but I find it hard to read the
> > new "basic buttons."
> >
> > I question why this was even undertaken at all when there are so many
> > other crucial issues with SCN.
> >
> > -- Doug
> >
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> >
> > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, patrick fisher wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > This past fall and winter, I worked with a web designer to come up
> > > with a new look for SCN. I provided an idea for a style that was
> > > simple and we used a couple of other sites as examples for what we
> > > were looking for in a look for SCN. I'll reserve judgement on the
> > > site which is located at:
> > >
> > > http://www.studio30.com/scn/scn_faq.html
> > >
> > > In that time, an SCN volunteer came up with a site design based on
> > > the same parameters as those given to the web designer. This design
> > > is right on the mark with what we were looking for. It is not
> > > necessarily in its final form, but represents, as close as possible,
> > > a direction we aimed for. This site is located at:
> > >
> > > http://www.scn.org/~lee/scntesta.html
> > >
> > > If you have comments, please direct them to webeditors at scn.org. We
> > > will be discussing the site redesign at the general meeting on
> > > Wednesday as well. I will have printouts available of both sites up
> > > for consideration.
> > >
> > > Also, logos have not be finalized in any way. Your comments on the
> > > logo ideas are welcome. The logo on the second site were designed by
> > > a graphics designer I found, enlisted, and worked with to come up
> > > with logo ideas.
> > >
> > > Thanks much,
> > > Patrick
> > >
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