SCN: Update: SCN site redesign link

Lorraine Pozzi femme2 at speakeasy.org
Wed Feb 27 17:06:51 PST 2002 

Your gifts are probably better than mine!

I am not as concerned with the logo design as I am with some
of the underlying principles.  I think there is a tendency in
SCNA - and in many non-profit organizations - to fiddle with
details when there are significant problems to be addressed.
So - they change the name - to something nobody remembers, such
as the recent change (again) of what was Peace Action and was
once a very active organization.

The logo has been seen by people all over the world.  They may
sneer at its artistry, but it has become a recognizable 
element in the increasingly marginalized freenet community.
Certainly SCNA will not survive or fail on the basis of the
logo - but "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  

If it can be cleaned up a bit, wonderful!  But I do not believe
we should toss an identifying symbol into the trash without
better reasons than have been put forth so far.

Could we not live with the present version until a cleaner
version is produced?  Is there some great rush to change? 

Lorraine
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, patrick fisher wrote:

> I still agree with cleaning up the current logo and remaining fairly
> close to the current one.
> 
> But I am not a graphics designer and have no gift for this kind of
> art.
> 
> If you know of someone who can do the work, please let me know.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> --- Lorraine Pozzi <femme2 at scn.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Doug Schuler wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi, Patrick and everybody else...
> > > 
> > > You won't be surprised (I guess) to learn that I don't like
> > > the new logos.   I vote for a cleaned up version of the
> > > logo we've always had.  I don't see any need for a new one and
> > > I'm not clear as to who authorized this in the first place.
> > 
> > Doug will be surprised to find that I agree with him.  
> > 
> > I didn't like the logo at first.  As a logo, it still lacks
> > "finish" - but is that what SCN is about?  Slick marketing?
> > I think we are better served by something that looks a little
> > handmade.  And now that it's been around for years and years,
> > it has taken on an identity that the suggested versions 
> > certainly lack.  Largely thanks to Doug, it has traveled
> > around the world and appears on t-shirts, publicatoins, and
> > of course has been an identifier for our very own Web
> > presence.
> > 
> > I understand that some funders find it too quaint - but I think
> > that the major objections that funders have is not with a 
> > logo but with more substantive matters - such as, how does 
> > the organization serve the community?  What data can you provide
> > that shows some significant benefit to your users? 
> > 
> > And finally - I don't see anything in the suggested "improvements"
> > that is so eye-catching and significant that an "upgrade" is
> > desirable.
> > 
> > My $.01 worth.
> > 
> > Lorraine Pozzi
> > femme2 at scn.org
> > ===============================
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > I don't like to criticize this generous
> > > pro bono work but I suppose it's necessary.  The first one 
> > > -- computers -- is generic and I don't like the color
> > > scheme.  On my computer the computers and the label
> > > aren't centered (but that is minor).  The second one looks
> > > like a warmed-over version of the city of Seattle's logo.
> > > The third I like because there is some funk in it and
> > > it hearkens to what I thought was our logo.  I'd like to
> > > include the categories that we use instead of what
> > > was used in this version.  I wouldn't want to use this
> > > *instead* of our current one; but as a supplement.
> > > 
> > > I don't like the block letter version, simple or not.  WHY
> > > change to *that*???  
> > > 
> > > What's wrong with the original logo?  Yes, it's fuzzy, etc. so 
> > > let's clean it up.  Is that so difficult??
> > > 
> > > The statement on the studio30 web page is curious: "Native
> > American
> > > leaning on a sand dune, holding a palm tree is the consensus."  
> > > Consensus??  Among whom?  (consensus means that *everybody*
> > agreed so I
> > > was wondering a bit where this info came from)
> > > 
> > > And -- IO hate to be so critical but I find it hard to read the
> > > new "basic buttons."
> > > 
> > > I question why this was even undertaken at all when there are so
> > many
> > > other crucial issues with SCN.
> > > 
> > > -- Doug
> > > 
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> > > 
> > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, patrick fisher wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Folks,
> > > > 
> > > > This past fall and winter, I worked with a web designer to come
> > up
> > > > with a new look for SCN. I provided an idea for a style that
> > was
> > > > simple and we used a couple of other sites as examples for what
> > we
> > > > were looking for in a look for SCN. I'll reserve judgement on
> > the
> > > > site which is located at:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.studio30.com/scn/scn_faq.html
> > > > 
> > > > In that time, an SCN volunteer came up with a site design based
> > on
> > > > the same parameters as those given to the web designer. This
> > design
> > > > is right on the mark with what we were looking for. It is not
> > > > necessarily in its final form, but represents, as close as
> > possible,
> > > > a direction we aimed for. This site is located at:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.scn.org/~lee/scntesta.html
> > > > 
> > > > If you have comments, please direct them to webeditors at scn.org.
> > We
> > > > will be discussing the site redesign at the general meeting on
> > > > Wednesday as well. I will have printouts available of both
> > sites up
> > > > for consideration.
> > > > 
> > > > Also, logos have not be finalized in any way. Your comments on
> > the
> > > > logo ideas are welcome. The logo on the second site were
> > designed by
> > > > a graphics designer I found, enlisted, and worked with to come
> > up
> > > > with logo ideas.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks much,
> > > > Patrick
> > > > 
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