SCN: building wireless community networks
Doug Schuler
douglas at scn.org
Wed Jan 9 09:52:41 PST 2002
Patrick --
I better disclaim first -- again. I'm NOT an expert -- and
I'm mostly repeating what I think I heard.
There are two ways (at least) I gather. One approach is
to think about this mostly as a local area thing -- and
not connect to the Internet even. The other is to connect
somehow to the Internet -- so that people within the "cloud"
can get to the Internet and so that people outside a local
cloud could get access to services within the cloud. Seattle
seems to be taking the first approach, NYC the second.
As for connecting to DSL or cable nobody is necessarily
against the idea -- just that if the connection is legally
provided for one person then providing it to others is
risky both in legal ramification but also in reputation.
-- doug
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On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, patrick wrote:
> Doug,
>
> What type of connection or system do they propose or support?
>
> If no DSL or cable connection, what type of set-up?
>
> Patrick
> --- Doug Schuler <douglas at scn.org> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know a lot either...
> >
> > I did attend the wireless community networks "summit" last
> > Sunday down in Georgetown. They had people from the UK,
> > NYC, Portland, the Bay Area, etc. Mostly hardware talk but
> > the Bay Area guy (see www.bawug.org) presented a
> > network that he had set up at Burning Man. I gave a tiny
> > presentation in which I mentioned that I thought the
> > social side was *very* important and not to be neglected -
> > what are these netowrks *FOR*?? Some of the people I
> > talked to said that they were originaly interested in
> > the hardware but have now come to appreciate the social
> > implications.
> >
> > I get the impression that the Seattle group is among
> > the most ambitious and most organized but this may be
> > just an impression. I've asked them to conduct a
> > "Wireless 101" at the May CPSR conference.
> >
> > As for the connecting loads of people to the Internet
> > via a shared DSL my recollection is that the people at
> > the summit advised AGAINST that idea. This helps promote
> > the idea that this effort is a hacker/pirate effort.
> >
> > -- Doug
> >
> >
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> > *
> > * is being shaped today.
> > *
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> > *
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> >
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, patrick wrote:
> >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > Was this answered already? I've had a hectic day/week:
> > >
> > > http://www.seattlewireless.net
> > >
> > > There is not much to having a wireless network. If you have a
> > WiFi or
> > > Apple AirPort card installed in your computer, then get onto a
> > DSL
> > > connection, you can have about 50 people logging into your DSL
> > > connection. That is it, more or less.
> > >
> > > So it is a matter of organizing people to volunteer to have their
> > > machine set up to be a wireless station while people can securely
> > tap
> > > into the pipe.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Joe Mabel <jmabel at speakeasy.org> wrote:
> > > > Sorry about the very delayed reply.
> > > > Very cool stuff, indofar as I understand (which is admittedly
> > not
> > > > far: I'm a
> > > > software guy, not very h/w knoledgeable).
> > > > Obviously creating such a network would not be an endeavor for
> > SCN
> > > > as such, but
> > > > is it possbile that somewhere under the umbrella of SCNA there
> > > > might be room to
> > > > start an interest group or something? Or is there something
> > else
> > > > already under
> > > > way in Seattle that we could at least refer people to if they
> > are
> > > > interested?
> > > >
> > > > --------------------
> > > > Joe Mabel
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, patrick wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > New O'Reilly book out called Building Wireless Community
> > > > Networks:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wirelesscommnet/
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks to Apple, they have found a way to expand computing to
> > new
> > > > > horizons with this highspeed wireless networking to a cool,
> > new
> > > > > level. It's almost subversive, isn't it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick
> > > > > Seattle Community Network
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