SCN: building wireless community networks
patrick
clariun at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 9 11:41:52 PST 2002
Heck, sounds like an ISP could be set up with a T-1 line, no modems,
just have the wireless network hubs set up. That would cut a lot of
costs if someone would want to start up an ISP.
No modems!
Patrick
--- Doug Schuler <douglas at scn.org> wrote:
>
> Patrick --
>
> I better disclaim first -- again. I'm NOT an expert -- and
> I'm mostly repeating what I think I heard.
>
> There are two ways (at least) I gather. One approach is
> to think about this mostly as a local area thing -- and
> not connect to the Internet even. The other is to connect
> somehow to the Internet -- so that people within the "cloud"
> can get to the Internet and so that people outside a local
> cloud could get access to services within the cloud. Seattle
> seems to be taking the first approach, NYC the second.
>
> As for connecting to DSL or cable nobody is necessarily
> against the idea -- just that if the connection is legally
> provided for one person then providing it to others is
> risky both in legal ramification but also in reputation.
>
> -- doug
>
>
>
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> *
> * is being shaped today.
> *
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>
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, patrick wrote:
>
> > Doug,
> >
> > What type of connection or system do they propose or support?
> >
> > If no DSL or cable connection, what type of set-up?
> >
> > Patrick
> > --- Doug Schuler <douglas at scn.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't know a lot either...
> > >
> > > I did attend the wireless community networks "summit" last
> > > Sunday down in Georgetown. They had people from the UK,
> > > NYC, Portland, the Bay Area, etc. Mostly hardware talk but
> > > the Bay Area guy (see www.bawug.org) presented a
> > > network that he had set up at Burning Man. I gave a tiny
> > > presentation in which I mentioned that I thought the
> > > social side was *very* important and not to be neglected -
> > > what are these netowrks *FOR*?? Some of the people I
> > > talked to said that they were originaly interested in
> > > the hardware but have now come to appreciate the social
> > > implications.
> > >
> > > I get the impression that the Seattle group is among
> > > the most ambitious and most organized but this may be
> > > just an impression. I've asked them to conduct a
> > > "Wireless 101" at the May CPSR conference.
> > >
> > > As for the connecting loads of people to the Internet
> > > via a shared DSL my recollection is that the people at
> > > the summit advised AGAINST that idea. This helps promote
> > > the idea that this effort is a hacker/pirate effort.
> > >
> > > -- Doug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ******************************************************************
> > > * SHAPING THE NETWORK SOCIETY
>
> > > *
> > > * Patterns for Participation,Action, and Change
>
> > > *
> > > * http://www.cpsr.org/conferences/diac02
>
> > > *
> > > * Tomorrow's information and communication infrastructure
>
> > > *
> > > * is being shaped today.
>
> > > *
> > > * But by whom and to what ends?
>
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> ******************************************************************
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, patrick wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > >
> > > > Was this answered already? I've had a hectic day/week:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.seattlewireless.net
> > > >
> > > > There is not much to having a wireless network. If you have a
> > > WiFi or
> > > > Apple AirPort card installed in your computer, then get onto
> a
> > > DSL
> > > > connection, you can have about 50 people logging into your
> DSL
> > > > connection. That is it, more or less.
> > > >
> > > > So it is a matter of organizing people to volunteer to have
> their
> > > > machine set up to be a wireless station while people can
> securely
> > > tap
> > > > into the pipe.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Joe Mabel <jmabel at speakeasy.org> wrote:
> > > > > Sorry about the very delayed reply.
> > > > > Very cool stuff, indofar as I understand (which is
> admittedly
> > > not
> > > > > far: I'm a
> > > > > software guy, not very h/w knoledgeable).
> > > > > Obviously creating such a network would not be an endeavor
> for
> > > SCN
> > > > > as such, but
> > > > > is it possbile that somewhere under the umbrella of SCNA
> there
> > > > > might be room to
> > > > > start an interest group or something? Or is there something
> > > else
> > > > > already under
> > > > > way in Seattle that we could at least refer people to if
> they
> > > are
> > > > > interested?
> > > > >
> > > > > --------------------
> > > > > Joe Mabel
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, patrick wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > New O'Reilly book out called Building Wireless Community
> > > > > Networks:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/wirelesscommnet/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks to Apple, they have found a way to expand
> computing to
> > > new
> > > > > > horizons with this highspeed wireless networking to a
> cool,
> > > new
> > > > > > level. It's almost subversive, isn't it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > > Seattle Community Network
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