BD: Re: SCN: "Free-Nets" in Los Angeles Times
patrick
clariun at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 17 12:13:30 PST 2002
Lorraine,
Thanks for the info.
What should be the definition of resources for this item? What should
it encompass?
Patrick
--- Lorraine Pozzi <femme2 at speakeasy.org> wrote:
>
> You could start with David Keyes at the City of Seattle,
> a map of such resources was created prior to a community
> computer fair a while ago - whether it's been updated I do
> not know. IndyMedia folks are also collecting information.
> The Neighborhood Networks folks - what they are called now
> escapes me - also had a list of resources.
>
> SCN could provide a database and map where up-to-date info
> was readily accessible. Links to the various locations.
> Maybe graphics to show if the site offered classes, was not
> open to the public (some low-income housing, for example).
>
> Mapping resources has been done since the very early days of
> SCN - too bad the efforts never were put into a format
> accessible to the public - and maintained.
>
> Lorraine
> ================================
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, patrick wrote:
>
> > Marilyn,
> >
> > That is a great idea. I had thought of putting together resources
> for
> > people on SCN, but where do you start? This task was on the
> burner
> > before Christmas, but went to the backburner.
> >
> > Steve seems to imply that he knows where these inexpensive
> services
> > are.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > --- Marilyn Sheck <Marilyn.Sheck at spl.org> wrote:
> > > Here's a list of the providers in the 206 area code:
> > >
> > > http://thelist.internet.com/areacode/206/
> > >
> > > >>> jmabel at speakeasy.org 01/17/02 04:22AM >>>
> > > Pulling back to where the discussion was approximately a month
> ago,
> > > and ignoring
> > > a lot of sniping since, couldn't we fulfill a lot of this need
> by
> > > posting
> > > prominently a list of free and inexpensive computing resources
> in
> > > the Seattle
> > > area?
> > >
> > > SCN doesn't need to PROVIDE services that are already out
> there. We
> > > just need to
> > > tell people how to find them.
> > >
> > > --------------------
> > > Joe Mabel
> > >
> > > On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Steve Guest wrote:
> > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > > Agreed - low cost affordable internet access would be great.
> In
> > > fact,in
> > > > the WA area we are lucky we still have a few options for free
> > > service.
> > > > They are going fast. The options are NetZero/Juno which have
> a
> > > 10 hour
> > > > per month free but you must click some ads to stay alive.
> Then
> > > we have
> > > > dotnow, address, massmednet and qualguard offering variations
> on
> > > the free
> > > > service theme. Then finally we have NoCharge which is still
> here
> > > in WA
> > > > alive and kicking, but all its other operations seem to have
> shut
> > > down for
> > > > one reason or another. Lastly nopay, who were the other free
> WA
> > > ISP, seem
> > > > to have stopped their free service without an announcement.
> The
> > > web site
> > > > is there, but nothing about the access.
> > > >
> > > > If you want better service we have accesscheap at $60 a year
> and
> > > 17 others
> > > > at under $100 a year. The challenge is that we, SCN, should
> not
> > > be seen
> > > > to push one service over any other. Apart from the possible
> > > liability
> > > > issues, we cannot and must guarentee thrid party connections.
> > > >
> > > > It depends what you are willing to put up with. Most of
> these
> > > have banner
> > > > or pop ads, no matter what the fee size and structure.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, patrick wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think the point I had was low-cost internet service.
> > > Affordable
> > > > > internet service.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that I think SCN should go there. If it did, that would
> be
> > > nice,
> > > > > but that would be a long way off anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be nice if Seattle had a non-profit internet
> service.
> > > In the
> > > > > sense that it was paid for by the local community, users,
> and
> > > not
> > > > > developed to make lots of money.
> > > > >
> > > > > Affordable internet service is an issue, not computers.
> > > Computers aer
> > > > > cheap, free, but service to the internet is not free, nor
> is it
> > > > > cheap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unless you go to the library and use it for free.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having internet service for $104 a year would really put it
> > > within
> > > > > the reach of a lot of people. Currently, at $20 a month,
> it's a
> > > bit
> > > > > expensive.
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
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