SCN: logo ideas
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Fri Mar 8 02:58:55 PST 2002
Joe,
Good comments. I share much of your list of things that are "broken." (I'd
say "incomplete.") I feel that the difficult SCNA has in getting funding is
part of the problem, because we are forced to limp along with limited
technology. We do wonders with what we have, it's just that what we have
is, as one person put it, "clunky."
The SCNA techies (Ops Committee) does absolute magic with limited resources.
I particularly appreciated your specificly mentioning that
- we seem to have lost sight of providing service for the most
disadvantaged which approximates what is available to other
people.
Perhaps it is time to re-assess the short-term, AND the long-term goals of
SCNA.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Mabel <jmabel at speakeasy.org>
To: patrick fisher <clariun at yahoo.com>
Cc: Terry Trimingham <ttrim at scn.org>; Doug Schuler <douglas at scn.org>;
<scn at scn.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: SCN: logo ideas
> So maybe "Placing communities on the web" would make sense (although I
still see
> supporting cyberspace "democracy" as even more central to our mission than
> "community"), but "technology" has certainly not been our emphasis. We
don't
> even continue to have a program to pass used computers to those who need
them.
>
> It seems to me that this effort to revisit a slogan is putting the cart
before
> the horse. If it is time to reconsider our mission (and perhaps it is),
we
> should have some serious discussion of that mission, develop something
like a
> consensus (which, if there is no broad consensus, may be painful and may
> involve some people leaving the group, hopefully not in anger but to start
> groups that focus more in their areas of concern). Then when we agree what
we
> are doing, if our current slogan is inappropriate to our new mission, it
is
> time to change the slogan.
>
> What is broken about SCN(A)? In my viev:
> - we seem to have lost sight of providing service for the most
disadvantaged
> which approximates what is available to other people.
> - we have a lot of bickering, blaming, and flaming that discourages active
> participation by capable people.
> - we have not become expert at deploying volunteers to maximum advantage.
> - we have fallen far short of our early goal of being innovators, of
> constituting a model for others in using technology in service to
democracy.
> - we do not, in my opinion, constitute one of the easiest ways to get
local,
> public-minded content onto the Web.
> - we have never developed any ability at all to truly support other
> likeminded endeavors.
>
> All of that said, I still think the group has enormous potential and an
> appropriate (if somewhat vague) mission. I'm glad to have the Peace
Heathens'
> Crisis Resource Directory be hosted as part of SCN. I'm glad to have it up
there
> with no ads and no censorship. I'm glad to have it up there as something
to
> strengthen SCN's content offering. But where on SCN are ten other sites
equally
> vital to Seattle? Where is the technology that would make our Crisis
> Resource Directory easily searchable? Where is the community (yes,
community) of
> other organizations with web content on SCN with which we can share ideas
about
> mutually strengthening our offerings? What is SCN doing that it wasn't
doing
> five years ago to help those most in need of such information have access
to it?
> What are we doing to work with the disadvantaged rather than merely for
them?
>
> I am in the ironic situation of posing all of these questions from my
current
> office in Bucharest, Romania. I'm not in the ideal position to be part of
a
> Seattle-based community at this moment. The internet is an amazing thing:
it
> allows me to actively participate in this discussion from the far edge of
> Europe. The question to me is, what are we doing to make it equally likely
for
> someone to participate from the far edge of South Park, White Center, or
Yesler
> Terrace? What are we doing to build democracy in the USA?
>
> --------------------
> Joe Mabel
>
> On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, patrick fisher wrote:
>
> > I see "Powering our Communities with Technology" to mean that
communities, groups
> > can use SCN to have a web site to broadcast information about themselves
via a media
> > that is accessible to all. That is my take on it.
> >
> > Second, please, please tell me what needs to be fixed with SCN. From
your point. I
> > have asked. And what is it that us web update people can do to fix it? I
don't do
> > hardware. I don't do software. A few of us topic editors who update the
pages are
> > good at what they do and are not hardware/software people. If the
problem lies
> > there, what is it that we can do when we do not have those skills?
Please tell me.
> >
> > There are other more pressing problems. Do all of the volunteers jump in
and work
> > only on those items and ignore everything else?
> >
> > What is wrong with fixing up a car by having a few people working on the
engine and
> > a few painting and detailing? Should we all be working on the engine?
Please tell
> > me, I'd like to know.
> >
> > And if the site looks great and updated, will that not bring in more
donations?
> > Leaving the front end in neglect while working on the engine only will
be our
> > savior?
> >
> > Mainly, many people have said that there are more pressing issues for
SCN. HOwever,
> > no one has mentioned specifically what those things are.
> >
> > Also, to reiterate, an organization putting a web site up for free on
SCN, void of
> > ads, is in my opinion, "Powering our communities with technology". Maybe
it isn't
> > the total answer, but I think SCN does a great job at what it can do.
> >
> > Off my soapbox,
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Terry Trimingham <ttrim at scn.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with Doug on this one.
> > >
> > > SCN was created to allow all people access to technology. "Democratic
> > > technology for all." It is still true, we still allow the have-nots
access
> > > to the internet.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, we are archaic, klunky, and hard to use compared to
> > > most technology available today. "Powering our communities with
> > > technology" implies that we have something slick to offer, and we
don't. I
> > > think it is VERY misleading to use this phrase as our slogan.
> > >
> > > And, I agree with Joe. There are so many other things wrong with SCN
than
> > > the logo and the slogan, it would be better to focus on those things,
> > > rather than try to "fix" something that hasn't yet broken.
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Doug Schuler wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't like the logo change idea and I don't like the
> > > > slogan change idea.
> > > >
> > > > "Democratic Technology for all" is more inclusive and broad.
> > > >
> > > > "Powering our communities with technology" is technocratic.
> > > >
> > > > I would think that we'd rather put the emphasis on DEMOCRACY
> > > > not on TECHNOLOGY.
> > > >
> > > > Can somebody remind me why this is happening?
> > > >
> > > > -- Doug
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, patrick fisher wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the comments. The logo issue is out of my hands, as far
as I know.
> > > > >
> > > > > There will be a different slogan. I think it is: Powering Our
Communities with
> > > > > Technology.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be nice, as you say, to have different variations of the
logos for
> > > > > different uses.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will put the PDF up on a web page. I will have to take a screen
sshot and
> > > past it
> > > > > as an image, though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > Patrick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Joe Mabel <jmabel at speakeasy.org> wrote:
> > > > > > Any logo with relatively small letters in the design (e.g. the
"democratic
> > > > > > technology for all" writtenrat the bottom) is liable to scale
down badly.
> > > > > > Before adopting it, we should play with how it scales down and
consider
> > > whether
> > > > > > it will be acceptable at the smallsst size we intend to use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One standard solution to this is to adopt several variations of
a logo 3-5
> > > > > > different sizes, possibly a color and a B&W version at each
size. Major
> > > graphic
> > > > > > elements should stay the same, but details may vary: for
example, text might
> > > not
> > > > > > be exactly proportional at the different sizes, to improve
readability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In any event, rather than sending candidate logos out by PDF
through email,
> > > > > > can't we please post them on SCN itself somewhere & have one
central place
> > > > > > people can look at the possibiities?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That said, I do sense a bit af rearranging deck chairs on the
Titanic here:
> > > > > > Except for people who have no other SCN activities they can
contribute to,
> > > this
> > > > > > seems like a pretty low-return use of volunteer time. I would
not put a new
> > >
> > > > > > logo among SCN's 50 greatest needs at the moment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --------------------
> > > > > > Joe Mabel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, patrick fisher wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here are some logo ideas in PDF format.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please make specific, exact comments on what you like or do
not like
> > > > > > > about the logos.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Everyone's comments will be taken into consideration.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If PDF does not work for you, please let me know and I will
work
> > > > > > > something out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > > >
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