SCN: Hello?

Jim Loring design at eskimo.com
Tue Mar 26 23:25:29 PST 2002 

I agree with Joe, that we should try to update the content, and try to keep
it current as possible.

I'm interested in this concern about having things deleted, which has been
on my mind as well. I had a chance to look over the Peace Heathen's Crisis
Resource Directory, and while I'm not an expert on the topic, the content
looks fine.

I agree that changing the URL should only be done after careful
consideration. In my opinion, the crisis directory looks fine.

Yet I'm at a bit of a loss about updating the information on a page
(meetings and such), the format of the page (the new pages we've been
working on), and changing the page's location - its URL (moving or removing
it).

Help me out a bit in understanding this.

Thanks - Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-scn at scn.org [mailto:owner-scn at scn.org]On Behalf Of Joe Mabel
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:54 PM
To: patrick fisher
Cc: Jim Loring; scn at scn.org
Subject: RE: SCN: Hello?


Where it is our own SCN content - meetings that don't take place, etc - we
should update the content! However, I strongly believe that even a page
devoted
to a meeting that no longer takes place should be modified to say "this page
used to describe a meeting ..." etc. rather than be deleted, or you break
someone else's link.

Not sure what page you mean by "The Volunteer Community Page". Can you give
a
URL?

--------------------
Joe Mabel

On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, patrick fisher wrote:

> I can think of one example: The Volunteer Community Page had a lot of out
of date
> stuff: Event information that was 2 years after the fact.
>
> Maybe by outdated, Jim means anachronistic? There is a lot of old stuff:
Like
> information on meetings that don't take place anymore, email address
galore for
> people who are no longer with the organization, procedures that don't
occur now and
> have been supplanted by something else. SCN services, many of which are
not
> occuring. Training, anyone?
>
> Gross generalizations, but that is what I see from my vantage point.
>
> Patrick
>
> --- Joe Mabel <jmabel at speakeasy.org> wrote:
> > So could you please elaborate (by example, or whatever) what you mean by
> > outdated content?  For example, I have pages in the Crisis Resource
Directory
> > that haven't been touched in a year.  That's because I haven't had any
new
> > information in these categories. Does that make them irredeemably old? I
sure
> > don't think so.  On the other hand, a page announcing an event can
become
> > completely outdated mere weeks after it is originally posted, because
tse evenv
> > is now past.
> >
> > So what do you have in mind? And what exactly do you propose to do with
the
> > "outdated" pages?
> >
> > --------------------
> > Joe Mabel
> >
> > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Jim Loring wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Joe for responding.
> > >
> > > You bring up some interesting points. While I don't consider older
and/or
> > > previous pages "demoted" by being placed in an archive, it is of some
> > > importance to figure some way of determining what material is no
longer
> > > current.
> > >
> > > In a sense, merely updating links and adding and deleting notices
changes
> > > the pages, and this has been one method of keeping SCN current. Yet
this
> > > method may, by some, be inadequate for larger updates and
modifications.
> > >
> > > Interesting points, Joe.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe Mabel [mailto:jmabel at speakeasy.org]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:36 AM
> > > To: Jim Loring
> > > Cc: scn at scn.org
> > > Subject: Re: SCN: Hello?
> > >
> > >
> > > It's really hard to know what to think of this without knowing what
you
> > > intend
> > > to demote to "archive" status.  How do you intend to decide that
certain
> > > content
> > > is no longer current? I hope that in any case you don't plan to change
its
> > > URLs:
> > > If you do so, you'll screw up any links to it that may exist.
> > >
> > > That said, if there is actually any outdated content that deserves
such
> > > demotion, it may well be a good idea.  But I, for one, would certainly
want
> > > to
> > > know your criteria before I endorsed this.
> > >
> > > --------------------
> > > Joe Mabel
> > >
> > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Jim Loring wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello All -
> > > >
> > > > Say, just thinking out loud, I was wondering how everyone felt about
the
> > > > topic of directory simplification and the archiving old SCN material
such
> > > as
> > > > web pages?
> > > >
> > > > It would be nice to simplify some of the directories as it might
make it
> > > > easier for folks viewing SCN web pages to navigate and find
information.
> > > It
> > > > would also be easier to edit the various sections.
> > > >
> > > > I think it would be interesting to archive some of the old web
pages, and
> > > > make them available somewhere on SCN - a "Museum of SCN," if you
will.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, we need to update some of the content on the pages, to keep
SCN
> > > > useful and something folks might want to use as an up-to-date
reference.
> > > >
> > > > So - ideas? We can chat about this at the SCN General meeting on
> > > Wednesday.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > >
> > > > Jim Loring
> > > > webeditors at scn.org
> > > >
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