SCN: Re: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?

sc at sdf.lonestar.org sc at sdf.lonestar.org
Sat Jul 2 00:21:32 PDT 2011 

Joel,

When was the last time you held an annual SCNA membership
meeting? Where are the minutes of that meeting, that I can read?

When was the last time that the entire membership of SCNA met at
such an annual meeting and elected you or any of your friends?

Exactly who are these unnamed "four dedicated board members" who
are the alleged SCNA board, and which of them pretends to hold
which office?

When and where are these supposed montly meetings? May any of us
come to the alleged monthly meetings and speak with you about
your stewardship of SCNA?

Rod Clark


On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Joel Ware, IV wrote:

> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 23:57:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Joel Ware, IV" <jw4 at scn.org>
> To: Steve Guest <steve at steve-guest.com>, Randy Groves <randomgrace at gmail.com>,
>     ljbeedle at scn.org, douglas at publicsphereproject.org, alboss at sisypheans.org,
>     al.boss at metrokc.gov, kgillgren at igc.org, jj at scn.org, douglas at cpsr.org,
>     steve at advocate.net, jmabel at speakeasy.org, jimh at scn.org, bb615 at scn.org,
>     anamioka at gmail.com, Ti Locke-Computer Giveaway <tgreyraven at yahoo.com>,
>     Alan Miller <'akmyah at yahoo.com'>
> Subject: SCN: Re: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?
> 
> Folks,
> I agree --- I would not assume that SCNA is dead.  In fact, it is very much alive.
> As President, I am taking the necessary steps to reinstate our registration with the Secretary of State.
> SCNA does have many key resources: we have a treasury, we have a few volunteers (including voicemail people), we have a very stable and solid SCN system, we have many loyal supporters, we have a viable Computer Giveaway program, and we have four dedicated Board members who meet every month.  We are paying our bills and serving users.
> HOWEVER
> We need more volunteers!
> We have an exciting new direction in the area of Wikis for community use.We have the hardware to implement it, and we have a rough design -- but we need people to do it.   We also need a Webmaster and staff to sustain our existing Web, and develop/procure tools that make it easier for info providers to use.
> I am very pleased to see a resurgence of interest.  I am sure that this is what SCNA needs.

>
>
> Regards,          -Joel.
>
> Joel Ware, IV 
> President, Seattle Community Network AssociationEmail: joelware at yahoo.com
> Phone: (206) 250-5950 (mobile)   
>
> --- On Thu, 6/30/11, Randy Groves <randomgrace at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Randy Groves <randomgrace at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?
> To: "Steve Guest" <steve at steve-guest.com>
> Cc: ljbeedle at scn.org, douglas at publicsphereproject.org, alboss at sisypheans.org, al.boss at metrokc.gov, kgillgren at igc.org, jj at scn.org, scn at scn.org, douglas at cpsr.org, steve at advocate.net, jmabel at speakeasy.org, jimh at scn.org, bb615 at scn.org, anamioka at gmail.com, "Joel Ware, IV" <jw4 at scn.org>, "Joel Ware, IV" <joelware at yahoo.com>, "Ti Locke-Computer Giveaway" <tgreyraven at yahoo.com>
> Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 12:32 PM
>
> I was a bit curious that Joel, Alan, and Ti were not included in the e-mail, but forwarded it to them as soon as I saw it.
>
> I think that it is a little early to start dancing on SCN's grave.
>
> -randy
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Steve Guest <steve at steve-guest.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Lois
>
> Having officially resigned from the SCNA board about 3 years ago I cannot
>
> tell you the current situation.  I do not see Joel or Ti listed in this
>
> email and they were still board members when I resigned.
>
>
> As for the disposal of the SCNA assets and funds the articles of
>
> incorporation, the constitution and the by-laws where appropriate were all
>
> very clear - these must all go to CPSR.  Having tried to change a small
>
> aspect of these by-laws to give the board the ability to perform a required
>
> and expected management function - and failing - I would expect these asset
>
> and fund dispersal requirements have not changed.  Therefore they cannot
>
> simply be transferred to another non-profit.
>
>
> The ACLU attorney who setup the rules did a great job.  I had discussions
>
> with four attorneys on ways to change these documents, including the one who
>
> did the original work.  There are copies of the documents on the web site
>
> should you need them.  I would have your own legal counsel look at these.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> Dr. Steve Guest
>
> 206-364-5636
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-scn at scn.org [mailto:owner-scn at scn.org] On Behalf Of
>
> ljbeedle at scn.org
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:34 AM
>
> To: douglas at publicsphereproject.org; randomgrace at gmail.com;
>
> alboss at sisypheans.org; al.boss at metrokc.gov; kgillgren at igc.org; jj at scn.org;
>
>
> scn at scn.org; douglas at cpsr.org; steve at advocate.net; jmabel at speakeasy.org;
>
>
> jimh at scn.org; bb615 at scn.org; anamioka at gmail.com
>
> Subject: SCN: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?
>
>
> I would hate to see SCN die totally.  I am not sure how many active users
>
> we still have but I do have 4 non profits with directories on SCN that I
>
> keep up.  I also still try to keep up the Spirituality menu.
>
>
> What would it mean to our users if your group took over Doug?
>
>
> What does the SCN Constitution and By-laws say about the disposition of
>
> assets if we were to dissolve SCN?
>
>
> Having gone though this with a church I do know that not much is required
>
> to reactive except for filing an up to date Constitution and By-laws and
>
> the fee.  At least that was all we had to do for the church.
>
>
> Is there anyone left who can call a meeting of the members to approve any
>
> actions?
>
>
> Lois
>
>
> Original Message:
>
> -----------------
>
> From: Douglas Schuler douglas at publicsphereproject.org
>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:07:36 -0700
>
> To: randomgrace at gmail.com, alboss at sisypheans.org, al.boss at metrokc.gov,
>
> kgillgren at igc.org, jj at scn.org, scn at scn.org, douglas at cpsr.org,
>
> steve at advocate.net, jmabel at speakeasy.org, jimh at scn.org, ljbeedle at scn.org,
>
>
> bb615 at scn.org, anamioka at gmail.com
>
> Subject: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?
>
>
>
>
> After 10 years or so of inaction it looks like the SCN board finally
>
> ceased re-upping with the secretary of state.
>
>
> I'm guessing that it would still be possible to re-initiate the
>
> organization if  anybody wanted to.  I'd be willing for the Public
>
> Sphere Project (a non-profit,  501.c.3 organization) to  absorb the
>
> assets (probably just the machine) to continue the operation of the
>
> machine.  I  think that my students could  take  some  degree of
>
> custodianship over  the machine as part of their civic  intelligence
>
> work.
>
>
> -- Doug
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