SCN: Re: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?

Randy Groves randomgrace at gmail.com
Thu Jun 30 14:32:40 PDT 2011 

You are right that there is little obvious happening.  However, I happen to
have 6 rack servers in my garage that SCNA picked up at a going out of
business sale, thanks to the eagle eye of Rhodes Heilman.  They have been
configured with Fedora and just lack the configuration of the serial console
(something I've been meaning to get to for way too long) to be able to be
installed at the library.

The skinny on the boxes:

1 x3350 - http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/hardware/rack/x3350/specs.html
2 x3250 - http://www.nexstor.co.uk/prod_pdfs/3250.pdf
3           -
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/5013/sys-5013c-m.cfm

The IBMs have been updated to hold at least one 500GB drive (a couple have
two - I'm not at home).  My not completed plan for these would be to move
our web and mail presence to new MUCH faster hardware, and have lots of
horsepower to add new capabilities.

The bad news about this is that we got these machines last year.  That's
part of the problem of having bought Sun gear - the stuff just won't quit!
And it is easy to ignore it.

So - I think SCN is doing OK in the hardware department.  If anything, this
note is extra stimulus to me to get that final step completed.  Not that
hardware will solve organizational issues ...

-randy

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Douglas Schuler <
douglas at publicsphereproject.org> wrote:

>
> Randy et al,
>
> I don't  feel like I'm dancing on SCN's grave. On the contrary I'm
> interested in trying to help save it -- and to help identify new ways in
> which it  could  address its mission and principles.
>
> When I noticed that the paperwork hadn't been submitted with the state (
> http://www.scn.org/commnet/scn-inactive.pdf) I assumed that the
> organization had been abandoned.
>
> And while I admit that I could be wrong it seems that very little has been
> done with SCNA for several years and, as I've suggested in the past,  it
>  might be good to establish different  leadership.
>
> Randy or others, please bring us up to date on the situation.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Doug
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Randy Groves wrote:
>
> I was a bit curious that Joel, Alan, and Ti were not included in the
> e-mail, but forwarded it to them as soon as I saw it.
>
> I think that it is a little early to start dancing on SCN's grave.
>
> -randy
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Steve Guest <steve at steve-guest.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Lois
>> Having officially resigned from the SCNA board about 3 years ago I cannot
>> tell you the current situation.  I do not see Joel or Ti listed in this
>> email and they were still board members when I resigned.
>>
>> As for the disposal of the SCNA assets and funds the articles of
>> incorporation, the constitution and the by-laws where appropriate were all
>> very clear - these must all go to CPSR.  Having tried to change a small
>> aspect of these by-laws to give the board the ability to perform a
>> required
>> and expected management function - and failing - I would expect these
>> asset
>> and fund dispersal requirements have not changed.  Therefore they cannot
>> simply be transferred to another non-profit.
>>
>> The ACLU attorney who setup the rules did a great job.  I had discussions
>> with four attorneys on ways to change these documents, including the one
>> who
>> did the original work.  There are copies of the documents on the web site
>> should you need them.  I would have your own legal counsel look at these.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Dr. Steve Guest
>> 206-364-5636
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-scn at scn.org [mailto:owner-scn at scn.org] On Behalf Of
>> ljbeedle at scn.org
>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:34 AM
>> To: douglas at publicsphereproject.org; randomgrace at gmail.com;
>> alboss at sisypheans.org; al.boss at metrokc.gov; kgillgren at igc.org; jj at scn.org
>> ;
>> scn at scn.org; douglas at cpsr.org; steve at advocate.net; jmabel at speakeasy.org;
>> jimh at scn.org; bb615 at scn.org; anamioka at gmail.com
>> Subject: SCN: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?
>>
>> I would hate to see SCN die totally.  I am not sure how many active users
>> we still have but I do have 4 non profits with directories on SCN that I
>> keep up.  I also still try to keep up the Spirituality menu.
>>
>> What would it mean to our users if your group took over Doug?
>>
>> What does the SCN Constitution and By-laws say about the disposition of
>> assets if we were to dissolve SCN?
>>
>> Having gone though this with a church I do know that not much is required
>> to reactive except for filing an up to date Constitution and By-laws and
>> the fee.  At least that was all we had to do for the church.
>>
>> Is there anyone left who can call a meeting of the members to approve any
>> actions?
>>
>> Lois
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Douglas Schuler douglas at publicsphereproject.org
>> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:07:36 -0700
>> To: randomgrace at gmail.com, alboss at sisypheans.org, al.boss at metrokc.gov,
>> kgillgren at igc.org, jj at scn.org, scn at scn.org, douglas at cpsr.org,
>> steve at advocate.net, jmabel at speakeasy.org, jimh at scn.org, ljbeedle at scn.org,
>> bb615 at scn.org, anamioka at gmail.com
>> Subject: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?
>>
>>
>>
>> After 10 years or so of inaction it looks like the SCN board finally
>> ceased re-upping with the secretary of state.
>>
>> I'm guessing that it would still be possible to re-initiate the
>> organization if  anybody wanted to.  I'd be willing for the Public
>> Sphere Project (a non-profit,  501.c.3 organization) to  absorb the
>> assets (probably just the machine) to continue the operation of the
>> machine.  I  think that my students could  take  some  degree of
>> custodianship over  the machine as part of their civic  intelligence
>> work.
>>
>> -- Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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