SCN: Re: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?

jmabel jmabel at speakeasy.org
Thu Jun 30 13:52:52 PDT 2011 

For the record: I continue to regularly update the Peace Heathens Crisis
Resource Directory on scn.org. It would be quite a pity if this site, at the
same URL for about 15 years now, were to have to change its location (let alone
if it went down).

A few years back several of us requested the then-board that they hold a proper
board election, rather than continue reappointing one another on a round-robin
basis. We were rebuffed and weren't interested enough to make it a fight and
attempt what would have amounted to a hostile takeover. Is it too late for a
solution like that? Does this failure to file render the existing structure
void?

Alternatively, if the assets go to CPSR, can CPSR simply pass them on to a new,
local group?

--------------------
Joe Mabel

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Douglas Schuler wrote:

>
> Randy et al,
>
> I don't  feel like I'm dancing on SCN's grave. On the contrary I'm
> interested in trying to help save it -- and to help identify new ways
> in which it  could  address its mission and principles.
>
> When I noticed that the paperwork hadn't been submitted with the state
> (http://www.scn.org/commnet/scn-inactive.pdf) I assumed that the
> organization had been abandoned.
>
> And while I admit that I could be wrong it seems that very little has
> been done with SCNA for several years and, as I've suggested in the
> past,  it  might be good to establish different  leadership.
>
> Randy or others, please bring us up to date on the situation.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Doug
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Randy Groves wrote:
>
> > I was a bit curious that Joel, Alan, and Ti were not included in the
> > e-mail, but forwarded it to them as soon as I saw it.
> >
> > I think that it is a little early to start dancing on SCN's grave.
> >
> > -randy
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Steve Guest <steve at steve-
> > guest.com> wrote:
> > Hi Lois
> > Having officially resigned from the SCNA board about 3 years ago I
> > cannot
> > tell you the current situation.  I do not see Joel or Ti listed in
> > this
> > email and they were still board members when I resigned.
> >
> > As for the disposal of the SCNA assets and funds the articles of
> > incorporation, the constitution and the by-laws where appropriate
> > were all
> > very clear - these must all go to CPSR.  Having tried to change a
> > small
> > aspect of these by-laws to give the board the ability to perform a
> > required
> > and expected management function - and failing - I would expect
> > these asset
> > and fund dispersal requirements have not changed.  Therefore they
> > cannot
> > simply be transferred to another non-profit.
> >
> > The ACLU attorney who setup the rules did a great job.  I had
> > discussions
> > with four attorneys on ways to change these documents, including the
> > one who
> > did the original work.  There are copies of the documents on the web
> > site
> > should you need them.  I would have your own legal counsel look at
> > these.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Dr. Steve Guest
> > 206-364-5636
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-scn at scn.org [mailto:owner-scn at scn.org] On Behalf Of
> > ljbeedle at scn.org
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:34 AM
> > To: douglas at publicsphereproject.org; randomgrace at gmail.com;
> > alboss at sisypheans.org; al.boss at metrokc.gov; kgillgren at igc.org; jj at scn.org
> > ;
> > scn at scn.org; douglas at cpsr.org; steve at advocate.net; jmabel at speakeasy.org
> > ;
> > jimh at scn.org; bb615 at scn.org; anamioka at gmail.com
> > Subject: SCN: RE: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?
> >
> > I would hate to see SCN die totally.  I am not sure how many active
> > users
> > we still have but I do have 4 non profits with directories on SCN
> > that I
> > keep up.  I also still try to keep up the Spirituality menu.
> >
> > What would it mean to our users if your group took over Doug?
> >
> > What does the SCN Constitution and By-laws say about the disposition
> > of
> > assets if we were to dissolve SCN?
> >
> > Having gone though this with a church I do know that not much is
> > required
> > to reactive except for filing an up to date Constitution and By-laws
> > and
> > the fee.  At least that was all we had to do for the church.
> >
> > Is there anyone left who can call a meeting of the members to
> > approve any
> > actions?
> >
> > Lois
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Douglas Schuler douglas at publicsphereproject.org
> > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:07:36 -0700
> > To: randomgrace at gmail.com, alboss at sisypheans.org, al.boss at metrokc.gov,
> > kgillgren at igc.org, jj at scn.org, scn at scn.org, douglas at cpsr.org,
> > steve at advocate.net, jmabel at speakeasy.org, jimh at scn.org, ljbeedle at scn.org
> > ,
> > bb615 at scn.org, anamioka at gmail.com
> > Subject: SCNA kaput -- irrevocably?
> >
> >
> >
> > After 10 years or so of inaction it looks like the SCN board finally
> > ceased re-upping with the secretary of state.
> >
> > I'm guessing that it would still be possible to re-initiate the
> > organization if  anybody wanted to.  I'd be willing for the Public
> > Sphere Project (a non-profit,  501.c.3 organization) to  absorb the
> > assets (probably just the machine) to continue the operation of the
> > machine.  I  think that my students could  take  some  degree of
> > custodianship over  the machine as part of their civic  intelligence
> > work.
> >
> > -- Doug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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