Dedicated section Re: SCN: Re: Possible Roles for SCN -- and what we can do about it...
patrick
clariun at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 1 10:01:04 PST 2001
Doug,
We can set up a dedicated area on SCN to this topic. If you have some
suggestions...I know your site covers a lot, but I think it may be a
good idea to set up a section on how SCN applies this philosophy.
Patrick
--- patrick <clariun at yahoo.com> wrote:
> That should be the beginning of May. Not February.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> --- patrick <clariun at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Doug,
> >
> > I'll put your conference information on my Yahoo calendar and put
> > it
> > up on the homepage in February.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > --- Doug Schuler <douglas at scn.scn.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Two quick things --
> > >
> > > I wanted to add the idea of computer recycling to the list
> > > (thanks, Joe!).
> > >
> > > I also want to second Lorraine's comments about SCN's
> non-profit
> > > status. There are, of course, some restrictions on what we
> > > can do as a non-profit but they basically don't apply at
> > > all to my suggestions. One of the most important of the
> > > non-profit restrictions is that we can't spend over a certain
> > > percentage of our resources in lobbying efforts. This means
> > > lobbying for *specific* pieces of legislation or candidates.
> > > It doesn't have an impact the ISSUE based educational effort
> > > that I was talking about it.
> > >
> > > There *are* some issues that arise with providing free
> > > ISP services I gather. The Oregon Public Network (if I'm
> > > not mistaken) just concluded a multi-year hassle with the
> > > IRS over some of these issues. There was a sort of
> > > compromise I hear but I do not understand the issues.
> > > If and when we move further in this direction -- and I'd
> > > support it -- there are some issues that we'd have to
> > > face. I don't think it necessarily implies getting
> > > rid of our status, however.
> > >
> > > -- Doug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ******************************************************************
> > > * SHAPING THE NETWORK SOCIETY
>
> >
> > > *
> > > * Patterns for Participation,Action, and Change
>
> >
> > > *
> > > * http://www.cpsr.org/conferences/diac02
>
> >
> > > *
> > > * Tomorrow's information and communication infrastructure
>
> >
> > > *
> > > * is being shaped today.
>
> >
> > > *
> > > * But by whom and to what ends?
>
> >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> >
> ******************************************************************
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, emailer1 wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree with Doug.
> > > >
> > > > I would put two ideas first. After those two things, the
> rest
> > > would become
> > > > doable.
> > > >
> > > > First thing: Become a stable ISP (internet hookup entity).
> > That
> > > might
> > > > require charging $5.00 per person per month but then we could
> > > give up the
> > > > non-profit status and do some high-powered lobbying.
> > > >
> > > > Our non-profit status blocks us completely from doing numbers
> > > number 5, and
> > > > seriously cripples us from doing 1, 7, 8, and 9.
> > > >
> > > > THEN, I would make sure that the SCNA e-mail was (a) as easy
> > > Outlook (could
> > > > use Outlook) and (b) was HTML able.
> > > >
> > > > After that, we would gather members like lawns gathering
> leaves
> > > in fall.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Doug Schuler <douglas at scn.org>
> > > > To: <scn at scn.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:42 PM
> > > > Subject: SCN: Possible Roles for SCN -- and what we can do
> > about
> > > it...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Possible Roles for SCN -- and what we can do about it...
> > > > >
> > > > > SCNites,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've compiled a quick note which I think (HOPE!) may help
> us
> > > now and in
> > > > > the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > The first part of the note is a brief list of all of the
> > > possible roles
> > > > > for SCN I could think of this morning over my second cup of
> > > coffee.
> > > > >
> > > > > After this list I make a simple suggestion that I think
> could
> > > (help)
> > > > > guide further development on SCN. I'd love to know what
> you
> > > think.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------ possible roles for SCN --
> > > > > (PS. there are many others -- let me know what they are
> and
> > > I'll add
> > > > them)
> > > >
> > > > > [Note, I added numbers to Doug's list.]
> > > >
> > > > > 1. Assume a place at the table for developing city /
> > > regional / state
> > > > (and
> > > > > other?) ICT initiatives and policy. (ICT = "information
> and
> > > > > communication technology)
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Provide low / no cost ICT services (email, listservs,
> > web
> > > pages,
> > > > etc.)
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Provide useful civic and community content on our web
> > > site (and
> > > > other
> > > > > places?)
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. Provide portal to Seattle community / civic
> > information,
> > > > applications
> > > > > and services
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. Agitate for socially responsible ICT policy locally,
> > > regionally, and
> > > > > beyond
> > > > >
> > > > > 6. Perform training and other pubic education
> > > > >
> > > > > 7. Help define and develop future community / civic
> > > information,
> > > > > applications and services
> > > > >
> > > > > 8. Work with community / civic groups to develop
> relevant
> > > ICT
> > > > applications
> > > > > and services
> > > > >
> > > > > 9. Take part in regional, national, and international
> > > coalitions to
> > > > > advance community / civic ICT goals.
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If we asked everybody in SCN to prioritize these possible
> > roles
> > > > > I'm assuming that we'd have some champions for each and
> every
> > > one of
> > > > > these roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > So which of these roles should we as SCN volunteers
> address?
> > > > >
> > > > > ALL OF THEM.
> > > > >
> > > > > But, people will say, we don't have the resources to do ALL
> > OF
> > > THEM.
> > > > > That's right! We don't have the resources AT THE MOMENT to
> > do
> > > all of
> > > > > them. So, at this point in time let's not do ALL of them.
> > In
> > > fact, at
> > > > > any given point in time, let's just focus on the ones in
> > which
> > > we have
> > > > > volunteers who are willing to do the work.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have to realize that ALL of these issues are important
> and
> > > that they
> > > > > together form a coherent body of work that SCN stands for.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have, in fact, worked on all of them, at one time or
> > > another.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not against setting priorities. We have to do that!
> But
> > > that
> > > > > shouldn't be used as an excuse to rule out a relevant piece
> > of
> > > work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's do the limited amount of work that we can do. The
> way
> > I
> > > see it,
> > > > > however, there is no reason to ban certain activities. The
> > > situation
> > > > > is dynamic -- we need to be dynamic as well!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Doug
> > > > >
> > > > >
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