SCN: websites to feature

[Doug Schuler]

I'm somewhere in the middle.  While I probably wouldn't
want to make it a requirement there are several EASY things
that can be done to make your site lynx compatible.  Also,
as I understand it, software that "speaks" out loud (for
blind people, e.g.) works better with text.

-- Doug


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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, patrick wrote:

> I am sure most webmasters have decided not to worry about the Lynx
> crowd.
> 
> If 99 percent of the people that come to their site uses browser x or
> browser y, then they will 'program' for those and write off the 1
> percent. They probably think they shouldn't spend 20 percent of their
> time for that 1 percent.
> 
> It depends who your audience is. If your audience ONLY serfs the web
> to get the lastest and hotest game updates, then I doubt someone with
> a dial-in connection is going to care much. They may have a 386.
> 
> However, if your site is text driven, community driven, you may be
> more considerate to all browsers. Include WebTV? Include AOL? Include
> Palms? Put a detector in your html and build for each browser?
> 
> Or use the K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple) system and throw in some CCS for
> the ADA crowd (which I think is a great idea), if you are pouring out
> information and that is your mission in life.
> 
> But I don't feel I should have to make my site compatible with the
> first browsers that ever came out. If 5 people on the planet use a
> particular browswer, I am not going to be considerate of them.
> 
> I think Lynx is great. The fact that it does drop-down menus and I
> can check my Yahoo mail - well, that is incredible.
> 
> How many people use it? I don't think it is that hard to program for
> the Lynx crowd. I assume it is easy to screw up and not make it easy
> for them.
> 
> But your basic Meat-and-Potatoes web site? That should handle links,
> I should think.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Lois Beedle <ljbeedle at scn.org> wrote:
> > I seem to have missed something.  We went from discussing featuring
> > websites to what links to have.  As a topic editor I link to
> > anything
> > anyone requests that fits into my topic whether I agree with their
> > point
> > of view or not, whether I can 'see' their page or not. I do not
> > feel that
> > SCN desires to hold anyone else to the standard that I thought we
> > had for
> > our own information providers.
> > 
> > But I do feel strongly that accessibility is a serious matter and I
> > thought that was what we were all about.  When I use lynx I expect
> > to be
> > able to 'see' any page hosted on scn.  That is not always the case.
> >  I
> > would expect that any site featured by scn would be 'seeable' by
> > me.
> > 
> > Folks need to know that one can have an good looking interesting
> > page on
> > scn - with some bells and whistles for graphics folks and still be
> > accessible by those who can not see all the fancy stuff.  What
> > better way
> > than featuring them?
> > 
> > When I built my first two sites I was never able to see them on
> > line with 
> > a graphics browser.  I still put up graphics that others enjoyed -
> > with
> > alt tags for the rest of us.
> > 
> > Lois
> >  Dip it in chocolate, it'll be fine.
> > 
> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Scot Harkins on scn.org wrote:
> > 
> > > I tend towards the inclusive attitude for links, even external
> > links that
> > > may not follow our web design standards.
> > > 
> > > Lynx may seem out of date but it's actually a gateway to broad
> > usability.
> > > We are one of the few Webster _in the world_ that can be browsed
> > by visually
> > > impaired users with browser devices that render web pages to
> > Braille or that
> > > navigate sites in visually simple ways.  I don't know that we are
> > actually
> > > pursuing the ADA standards, but the fact that we are both a
> > community
> > > resource and an accessible resource is unique.
> > > 
> > > The web has exploded as a world full of eye-candy, which only
> > works for
> > > those with eyes that can see.  Those few sites trying to address
> > ADA
> > > standards feature either a low-graphic version of their site or
> > actually
> > > seek to detect the remote browser and load browser-targeted
> > pages.  Each of
> > > these requires parallel site development.  Keeping a focus on
> > simple design
> > > standards make the pages easier to browse for all users.
> > > 
> > > In 20 years the majority of the people in our country will be
> > over 65 years
> > > old.  How many of them will appreciate our continuing efforts and
> > the
> > > efforts of others to make the information world easier to use?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Scot
> > > 
> > 
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