SCN: SCNA general meeting 6/9.

[Ken Gillgren]

Hey, Randy, did any on capture (or does anyone recall) any of the future 
visions conversation. I would be very interested in hearing what people 
were sharing on that issue.

And did anyone collect email addresses of the folks who attended. I'm 
glad this list is helping facilitate some conversation, but I'm not so 
confident that everyone who attended is on this list.

Thanks all,

Ken Gillgren

On 6/12/2012 2:18 PM, Randy Groves wrote:
> JJ - I am a bit non-plussed that you sat in the back of the room, 
> didn't want to identify yourself, did not make any suggestions (good 
> or bad), then left.  (And I know I wasn't able to chat on the phone 
> recently - it just wasn't a good time ...)
>
> Why does everyone feel the need to hash over the past?  Why can't we 
> just 'get over it', and attempt to identify and assemble the good 
> parts of what is left into something that functions?
>
> Everyone casts stones at the 'non-functional board', but no-one ever 
> takes a look at where THEY'VE been over the last 10 years.  Remember 
> the old adage that when you point one finger at someone, there are 4 
> pointing back at you.
>
> Yes - there have been problems.  Let's fix them looking toward the 
> future, rather than looking toward the past.
>
> And I dispute the contention that no suggestions vis a vis SCN/SCNA 
> were requested.  You may have left by then, but I remember (and yes 
> this is a defect - we didn't have an official secretary) quite a bit 
> of discussion about visions of the future in the latter part of the 
> meeting.
>
> -randy
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:55 PM, J. Johnson <jj at scn.org 
> <mailto:jj at scn.org>> wrote:
>
>     Alan Miller has said that some of the comments I reported from the
>     meeting
>     were taken out of context.  Which I find curious.  I am sure that
>     everyone
>     on this list understands the broader context of a decade and more of a
>     dysfunctional organization, and the history thereof, and the persons
>     involved.  That there is not more "context" from the meeting itself --
>     well, did anyone else think to take notes?  If anyone feels I have
>     misreported anything please tell us so that the record (such as it
>     is) can
>     be corrected.  Because lacking a prepared agenda and recorded
>     notes, this
>     meeting is now just a bunch of divergent, fading memories.
>
>     Several of us were some what surprised to hear the Board had enough
>     gumption to call a meeting, let alone show enough intitiative to
>     call for
>     some suggestions.  But it seems like they didn't.  It appears that the
>     prime mover here is Randy ("technical consultant to the Board"), who
>     figured out how some nifty applications (i.e., WikiMedia and a blog
>     package) could be plugged into SCN.  So the Board wasn't asking for
>     suggestions regarding SCN/SCNA at all.  They were reacting to being
>     completely df'ed by a particular possibility. And they have
>     absolutely no
>     more conception of how to manage this then they have ever had.
>
>     And that is the crux of the problem.  The SCNA Board is quite
>     inable to
>     manage the organization in their charge.  They can't even manage
>     themselves, to the extent of holding the legally required
>     meetings.  (But
>     they do have "errors and omissions" insurance, lest anyone sues them.)
>     Being unable to manage some simple services, they have this idea that
>     adding complex services will automatically fix everything.  Which
>     raises
>     the edifice higher, but fixes nothing.
>
>     I would be more impressed if they would honestly try to fix a few
>     problems, rather than stack them higher.
>
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>
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